Joseph Smith: An Apostle of Jesus Christ

LDS.org ^ | Dennis B. Neuenschwander

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you for your encouragement, dear ejonesie22!

[brytlea]

I’m a little confused by what you said. Not all sinners are automatically saved by the Grace of Jesus Christ. Is that what you were saying there?

[TiaS]

... very interesting.

[greyfoxx39]

As to this thread being moved, and your now open hostility toward a religion whose adherents are generally conservative, well it does not bode well for this forum. Not because Mormons will break you or anything silly like that, but because “who is next” will be on people's minds and as soon as censorship is the norm on the forum, well other forums will get traffic that was here.

"Censorship is the norm on this forum"? Hardly. A few years ago when posters who debated the rampant mormon proselytizing were being banned and suspended, where was your defense of "free speech"? I particularly remember YOUR part in baiting "antis" into responses that got them zotted.

Your prediction sounds more like a wish as far as forum traffic is concerned.

The importance mormons claim for their church and for themselves is laughable. If you would bother to read this thread, you would find that the mormon message is being soundly rejected by the majority of FReepers that have posted here.

[Colofornian]

...and avoid contention amongst ourselves which serves to weaken us in the fight for our society...

(Yeah, well...Jeff...tell us how much of your tithing $ to the Lds church thru the years has funded...
...Lds.org?
...BYU-TV & other multi-media?
...Lds curricula?
...Lds books?
...Lds pamphlets?
...and translations all of the above...?
...with these venues' references to us Christians being involved in some "universal apostasy"...& that the D&C 1:30 says the Mormon church is "the only true & living church on the face of the earth" & how anyone not part of the Mormon "Lamb" church is of the "church of the devil" (1 Nephi 14:9-10)...& that ALL of our creeds are an "abomination" -- and ALL Christian professing believers are "corrupt???"

Tell me: IF you served as an Lds missionary, how many times did you reference the "universal apostasy" in your discussions with "prospects?"

So many Mormons are like a boxer who dresses up, heads into the ring, goes to someone on the other side of the rope, tries to bash their head in, and then as soon as somebody starts to head into the ring, the Mormon boxer says: "Now don't be contentious here!"

[aMorePerfectUnion]

“if we can agree on Jesus Christ and Him crucified “

But that is the rub, Jeff. Christians do NOT agree on
the Mormonic view of who Jesus Christ is. Christians
believe Jesus Christ has always existed as GOD - neither
created nor made, nor “birthed” by a Heavenly Mother God.
From there, the rest of the wheels fall off.

I am more than pleased to join hands to fight the good
cause as conservatives, but I’m not willing to pretend
we believe the same things or that they have moral equality
or that there is any truth in Mormonism, or to be silent
when mormons proselytize on FreeRepublic.

ampu

[SENTINEL]

Mormons are to Christianity as Rinos are to Conservatism.

I'm glad your islam-type "Lawfare" is finally being countered in the lead up to the 2012 elections. I guess you've finally hit the abuse button one too many times !

Down with Reid, Romney AND MONSON !

[Godzilla]

They also said that in Moses and Abraham time!

Riiiiiight - chapter and verse.

[brytlea]

But then there is also the Great Commission which is to spread the Gospel. (and I have a hard time with that one myself, it’s much harder than the other two).

[Colofornian]

Who is nitpicking? no one sings “Praise to Abraham” or “Praise to Moses”. No one has nativity scenes depicting them in a cradle like the BYU did for Smith. No one makes holidays out of their birthdays, like the LDS do with Smith. In short, no one worships Abraham or Moses like the LDS worship Smith. First, Smith didn’t ‘commune with Jehovah’, the first vision accounts don’t even have the demons giving names, just oblique references. So Smith had no proof it was god in the first place. Second, NO CHRISTIAN EVER SINGS PRAISES TO ANY MAN. ONLY GOD IS WORTHY OF PRAISE. Yet the LDS have a hymn about Smith, singing his praises. That is disgusting.

Amen!

SOME/many Mormons engage in Smith idolatry...and then wonder why Christians get offended at idolatry????

[Godzilla]

"Censorship is the norm on this forum"? Hardly. A few years ago when posters who debated the rampant mormon proselytizing were being banned and suspended, where was your defense of "free speech"? I particularly remember YOUR part in baiting "antis" into responses that got them zotted.

Hmmmm, I too remember the "hosing the pigs" campaign organized by mormons in an attempt to overwhelm the forum with lds posts in an effort to silence Christian responses. Even with some looking longingly to the days of the Nauvoo Expositor and the dannites as means to defeat mormon opposition.

[greyfoxx39]

I could not have said it better it has shades of WW11

How about a sly little reference to the Holocaust as a slam to JR and FR? We are well attuned to the tactics of some mormons here.

[reaganaut]

“Which does explain why some are targeted in the first place. Mormons especially target the unsuspecting and those who know little of the scriptures.”

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That is exactly it. When I was training for a Mormon mission, the professor (it was a prep class at BYU) told us to avoid those who knew their Bible because they would just confuse us and instead go after those going through change of life (marriage, divorce, death) and the ‘unchurched’. Basically we were taught to seek out the weak and nominal Christians.

I was told of one instance where Mormon missionaries would stand outside a evangelical church and give out tracts to new Christians (the church handed out specific bibles to new believers which my old church did as well). I don’t know if this is true or not, but it wouldn’t surprise me at all.

[reaganaut]

Sounds like you are focusing on works. We keep the commandments because we are ALREADY saved. You can’t try to live the two commandments (and I agree with you that there are only 2 for Christians), unless you already have a saving faith.

Doctrine matters and Mormon doctrine isn’t the same (or even close) to traditional Christian doctrine.

We aren’t nitpicking over minor things. The LDS break off on big things like the person, work and nature of Christ (Trinity, the Cross, salvation by grace not works, the Bible).

I don’t get involved in minor doctrinal squabbles, and I flat out HATE religion, but I witness to the LDS because their doctrines will keep them from God. Most of the things acutal Christians debate over (OSAS, government, sprinkling vs immersion) are not matters of salvation, but what we disagree with with the LDS ARE matters of salvation (Is Jesus God or just ‘a’ god? Can we become Gods ourselves (like Lucifer wanted to do)? What is the role of the Cross in Salvation? Are works required? Can we ever earn our way back to God? Those need to be sorted out in THIS life, or Hell is the destination.

It isn’t about religion, it is about relationship and Mormons actually teach AGAINST a personal relationship with Christ (and yes, I can source this if you wish).

[SENTINEL]

I remember two lds being banned for claiming I had threated them physically by freepmail. Not such thing had occurred and Jim Rob himself told me I was being set up. Reminds me of the way CAIR works their islamic "lawfare" in the US.

Lately I've been told my name has been turned over to the FBI and ATF as a shooting and arson suspect for incidents 3000 miles form where I live.

Good riddence flds/lds caucus threads !

[reaganaut]

Thank you, Alamo-girl, for your insightful posts as always.

[Hoodat]

Can't we all just get along?

[T Minus Four]

Jim, I stand firmly beside you. Thank you!

[SENTINEL]

Ahh, the UTTERLY DISCREDITED LDS BOOK OF ABRAHAM !!

http://www.bookofabraham.com/intro.html

[DelphiUser]

The section I referred you to from my page (borrowed a cup of computer so I could remote into my home machine...)

Put our religion to "The Test"

"The Test" is simple, you can't believe what I say, for I may be wrong, you can't believe what Mormon detractors say for again they might be wrong, or lying. So who can we trust? We can trust the Bible, we can trust God, for God is "a God of truth and canst not lie."

The test is contained in First John 4:1-3

1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

We are supposed to look for Gods messages by trying the spirits, and we will know which is of God because it will testify of Jesus. I have tried the Spirits to know if they would testify of Jesus and the Book of Mormon, and I have received an answer, yes the Book of Mormon is of God and Jesus is the Christ, my Savior, my Lord, my God. I wish that everyone could have this experience, thus, I offer to all a Free Book of Mormon and if you don't already have one, a Free Bible Too. I invite you to cut through all the yea and nay arguments with a simple prayer, I invite you to come unto Jesus Christ my master. The formula is simple, Get a Book of Mormon, Get a Bible. Read both, pray about both, ask God to testify of Jesus and ask God to reveal errors for what they are, and truth for what it is and listen for God's response. The response should contain a testimony of Jesus, or it may not be from God.

There may be those who will encourage you not to pray, they will use various methods to do this, I used to list the many scriptures from the Bible that command us to pray, but I am now only going to quote from the Book of Mormon: Second Nephi 32:8

8 And now, my beloved brethren, I perceive that ye ponder still in your hearts; and it grieveth me that I must speak concerning this thing. For if ye would hearken unto the Spirit which teacheth a man to pray ye would know that ye must pray; for the evil spirit teacheth not a man to pray, but teacheth him that he must not pray.

The Bible teaches man to Pray, the Book of Mormon teaches men to pray, anyone who teaches something else is not of God.

Friends, brethren, beware of those who teach that God will not answer a sincere prayer from the heart. Seek God. Seek to do good continually, Do good to those who persecute you and despitefully use you. In the end you will in no wise lose your reward for seeking to follow the scriptures.

Amen.