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Posted on 01/02/2011 5:46:30 PM PST by Paragon Defender
Do NOT overlook the fact that this practice puts coin in the coffers of the mormon church. In order for a mormon to fulfill the requirement to baptize for the dead, he/she must have a "temple recommend" proving he is worthy to do so..and in order to recive this "recommend" he must be a full 10% tithepayer. Even the young teen-agers must meet this requirement.
Next they will be posting “Praise to the Man”...
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Yep and so did Moses and Abraham etc communed with Jehovah!
nitpicker are ya!
Oh, give me a break!
PD referencing the "First Vision" of Joseph Smith in that article...
How is it "Good Will" to reference a source that labels ALL Christians as "corrupt" and ALL their creeds as an "abomination?" [see post #334]
How is it "Good Will" to talk about one man's literal distortion of the Bible (Smith's so-called "translation" of an English Bible into English -- when he couldn't read Greek or Hebrew)? [see post #334]
How is it "Good Will" for PD to post an article referencing a section of a book that points to a Book of Mormon violent Jesus (3 Nephi 8 & 9) and promotes occult contact with the dead [see post #454, #3 & 4]
The piece PD posted substitutes the focus on Christ with the focus on Joseph Smith. Mormons can't do enough to praise Smith on Dec. 23, when Christmas becomes Smithmas, so they have to sandwhich Christmas with even more "12 Days of Smithmas!"
Which does explain why some are targeted in the first place. Mormons especially target the unsuspecting and those who know little of the scriptures. Just enough to say they are Christians....... which then the Mormon recruiter knows he can leave his book of Mormon with them...and use various Christian verbiage to entice them into their fold. They do this because it works on those who are not grounded in the scripture truths to begin with...and or have stunted growth in the things of the Lord.
Just as the educational system has been targeted by Liberals and Homosexuals to deceive and teach our youth to accept their agenda....so too Mormons go after those who are only just beginning to take in "the milk" of Gods word or are outside the Christian community.
"Thy word have I hid in my heart that I might not sin against thee"
It just continues to expose mormonism for what it is....an anti-Christian cult!
Post on....PD!!
“It would seem there is a bit of the spirit of Gov. Boggs on FR tonight. I would hope that we can all stop the infighting and focus on the real struggle we are engaged in.”
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Oh yeah! ‘Look over there! These are not the Morgbots you are looking for”.
And, don’t think we didn’t catch the veiled reference to the Missouri Govenor that the Mormons tried to assassinate because he opposed them.
True they did - but smith was a faker.
or just eliminate Mormon discussions period.
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The LDS would LOVE this. Rather than debate and defend their faith, they would much prefer us to just ‘go away’ and leave them alone.
I was Mormon for several years, and I remember feeling the same way “why can’t the antis just leave us alone?”
Why? Because those of us who have been freed from the shackles of Mormonsim and brought to a saving faith in Jesus Christ want nothing more than to see others freed the same way.
Rather than hide behind ‘caucus’, how about the LDS try to actually defend their beliefs.
And Grey is correct about the proselytizing moving to Freepmail. On a thread the other day, Grig offered to answer some difficult questions on Mormonism posted to him via Freepmail rather than on the open forum. Now, while I don’t object to the use of Freepmail, in cases like this it allows them to give their side without any chance of being countered. If they really thought Mormonism was true, why not put it out there for the whole world to see and judge?
Having been Mormon, I know how smooth the ‘pat answers’ are and how they twist their teachings and words to sound ‘Christian’.
Courtesy ping to Grig.
It is not the same only the topic
Because the world has one way of doing things you think Church leaders are to have harbor hate and contention in their hearts.
You can caww but a child of God should not paint with a broad brush!
President Gordon B. Hinckley has consistently advocated dialogue and mutual respect in interfaith relations.
He has admonished members of the Church to cultivate “a spirit of affirmative gratitude” for those of differing religious, political, and philosophical persuasions, adding that “we do not in any way have to compromise our theology” in the process.
He gave this counsel: “Be respectful of the opinions and feelings of other people. Recognize their virtues; don’t look for their faults. Look for their strengths and their virtues, and you will find strength and virtues that will be helpful in your own life.” 1
BTW this was written in the Ensign 2000 » August
(Were my posts #334, 423, and 454 enough of a list of upsets for ya?)
You post offensive, provocative, inflammatory "stuff" and then seek to have your Maxwell Smart cone of silence to descend upon FREEPER Christians to keep them muzzled from responding in any way that objects with your myths & fantasies that you're forcing on the rest of us...all under the Ripliancum-attempted presentation of "religious diversity."
Well, if you want "diversity" -- then stop trumpeting Mormonism as Christianity!
Yes, Moses and Abraham ACTUALLY DID...
In reply to my post, restornu asked for proof of my claim that LDS doctrine teaches that God the Father had a Father who had a Father, etc.
These topics are referenced in LDS Scriptures on ...
If Abraham reasoned thus—If Jesus Christ was the Son of God, and John discovered that God the Father of Jesus Christ had a Father, you may suppose that He had a Father also. Where was there ever a son without a father? And where was there ever a father without first being a son? Whenever did a tree or anything spring into existence without a progenitor? And everything comes in this way. Paul says that which is earthly is in the likeness of that which is heavenly, Hence if Jesus had a Father, can we not believe that He had a Father also? I despise the idea of being scared to death at such a doctrine, for the Bible is full of it.
I want you to pay particular attention to what I am saying. Jesus said that the Father wrought precisely in the same way as His Father had done before Him. As the Father had done before. He laid down His life, and took it up the same as His Father had done before. He did as He was sent, to lay down His life and take it up again; and then was committed unto Him the keys, &c. I know it is good reasoning…
How Long Has This Been Going On?
This insight of the gospel into the subject of outer space is what makes the whole subject meaningful. When you look up into the heavens at night and see the countless numbers of stars, it is easy to imagine other people “out there” being tested and tried and experiencing struggles and joys somewhat similar to those we are going through. But the most exciting thing about this whole basic and fundamental concept is that it is true. Totally and completely true. People growing, developing, and finding fulfillment—out there!
The Prophet Joseph Smith taught: “God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man. … he was once a man like us … God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth. …” 6
“If Jesus Christ was the Son of God, and … God the Father of Jesus Christ had a Father, you may suppose that He had a Father also. … And where was there ever a father without first being a son? … If Jesus had a Father, can we not believe that He had a Father also? …
“He [Jesus] laid down His life, and took it up, the same as His Father had done before.” 7
Long before our God began his creations, he dwelt on a mortal world like ours, one of the creations that his Father had created for him and his brethren. He, with many of his brethren, was obedient to the principles of the eternal gospel. One among these, it is presumed, was a savior for them, and through him they obtained a resurrection and an exaltation on an eternal, celestial world. 8 Then they gained the power and godhood of their Father and were made heirs of all that he had, continuing his works and creating worlds of their own for their own posterity—the same as their Father had done before, and his Father, and his Father, and on and on…
I want some of that.........
excellent post, but I am waiting for the LDS to spin your words and come back with “we believe that too” (they don’t btw at least not how Christians mean it).
Mormons use Christian vocabulary but not a Christian dictionary.
Yep and so did Moses and Abraham etc communed with Jehovah!
True they did - but smith was a faker.
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They also said that in Moses and Abraham time!
Well done.
Yes, but Moses and Abraham have back up to their claims...
Joey, not so much...
http://carm.org/false-prophecies-of-joseph-smith
http://www.exmormon.org/prophet.htm
http://www.utlm.org/onlineresources/falseprophecies.htm
Not the greatest batting average...
Resty, as you well know, respect in tone & attitude is quite distinct from respect in content accusations contained in "theology" you reference here!
Many Mormons may practice the former -- but NOT the latter!
(Sure: we know the typical Lds philosophy we hear: "Speak softly and carry a big Pearl of Great Price/Book of Mormon/D&C stick")
Definition of a 'big stick', Pearl of Great Price style:
"You Christian sects are 100% wrong;
100% apostates;
100% creedally putrid;
100% corrupt as believers...
...Signed: Cordially, your "nice" Mormon neighbor
P.S. "Of course, we'll be polite & use Lds missionary doorstep language like 'universal apostasy' instead of pointing our fingers right @ you..."
"...and we'll fund the outer darkness out of hundreds of different Pearl of Great Price & D&C & BoM translations which mention ALL of the above + how you're not the true & living church -- only the church of the devil...so our 'big stick' will seem once-removed..."
"...But make no mistake about it, we've sent out literally over 1 million Lds missionaries who've carried this 'Big Stick' around the world!!!"
Tell you what: When Mormons stop tithing to the Lds church -- or have you told SLC HQ to no longer use your tithe or gifts to go for the re-publishing of these highly inflammatory sections of...
...Pearl of Great Price (Joseph Smith - History vv. 18-21);
...D&C (like 1:30);
...BoM (like 1 Nephi 14)...
...then we can begin discussing this "contention" jumpstarted by Smith and his Mormon church.
Who is nitpicking? no one sings “Praise to Abraham” or “Praise to Moses”. No one has nativity scenes depicting them in a cradle like the BYU did for Smith. No one makes holidays out of their birthdays, like the LDS do with Smith. In short, no one worships Abraham or Moses like the LDS worship Smith.
First, Smith didn’t ‘commune with Jehovah’, the first vision accounts don’t even have the demons giving names, just oblique references. So Smith had no proof it was god in the first place.
Second, NO CHRISTIAN EVER SINGS PRAISES TO ANY MAN. ONLY GOD IS WORTHY OF PRAISE. Yet the LDS have a hymn about Smith, singing his praises. That is disgusting.
Yet this same hinkley openly declared that the mormon 'Jesus' was not the same Jesus of Christianity.
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