""Makes you wonder what Joseph's pick up line was?""
the same as this guy???
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Posted on 01/02/2011 5:46:30 PM PST by Paragon Defender
When you use FreeRepublic to proselytize for the mormonic cult, you should expect Christians to stand up and point out the heresies you espouse.
Count me in. Joe Smith was a HORNDOG and a SCAMMER, but he was no Christian Apostle. Your post makes wild claims with no supporting FACTS, EVIDENCE or LOGICAL ARGUMENT. NOTHING an objective reader could look at and say, “Hey, you’ve got a point about that.” Instead, they look and say, “Man! Those cultists never stop on FreeRepublic!”
ampu
If this were so in all these years there would be proof not assumptions and hearsay.
Like the progressive the intent means more than doing!
Same here the accusation means more than proof.
Our Saviors Love: Jesus Christ is the Savior of the World
http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=GZW3sj2TKsw&feature=related
Which Jesus resty - your own prophets have said your ‘Jesus’ is different from the Jesus of Christianity.
Just gets better and better...
Thanks.
There was no proselytizing just Good Will to counter act all of the anti LDS daily propaganda!
And just as the Catholics and other faiths were allowed a Caucus so was the LDS.
LOL, I’m sorry, but that was funny.
Nice try, Rip...just ignore the 52,000 mormons on bikes and the senior couples using their retirement money to proselytize for mormonism, the PR campaigns....the infamous Flying Inmans of FR must be shut down in the interests of "F.A.I.R. play, right? You would still have the option of posting open threads and obeying forum rules.
There has already been a sign of FR mormons taking their proselytizing to FReepmail to get around the rules of the Religion Forum. Perhaps Jim needs to look into that also.
Jim, for some who are called to battle false religions, sites like FR may be the only way of getting the message out against the billions of dollars available to the mormon church.
""Makes you wonder what Joseph's pick up line was?""
the same as this guy???
The LDS use the KJV, but with footnotes from the ‘inspired version’ (Joseph Smith’s rewriting aka the JST).
The RLDS (now Community of Christ) which is the group that stayed in Missori and didn’t follow Young and also renounced polygamy uses the JST exclusively. Copies are available online if you are interested. Just google “Joseph Smith Translation”.
The LDS for many years claimed they didn’t use the JST because 1) it wasn’t finished) or 2) that they didn’t own the copyright (Emma Smith did).
However, the first one isn’t true because there are sources that state it WAS completed and the second doesn’t apply anymore as the JST is now out of copyright and in the Public domain.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Smith_Translation_of_the_Bible
and another great page on prophets
http://www.mormonthink.com/prophetsweb.htm
Big difference between a legitimate faith/denomination and a cult that has been proven beyond any doubt to be based on fraud and bad science...
LDS is a cult. They say Lucifer is the brother of Jesus, any cults or religion that does not believe Jesus is God is a false religion. LDS way of salvation is works-oriented salvation and going to their temple. True Christianity is simply believing the gospel; Jesus died for your sins, rose again the third day and believe in your heart or trust Him for salvation and eternal life., repent from your sins and you will have eternal life. Simply trusting Jesus for salvation.
As I mentioned in my last post (#423) -- and in an earlier one (#334) -- JimRob took a very reasoned position in objecting to this article being placed in a protected "caucus" when the article's references themselves are so provocatively controversial.
I mentioned in post #334 I would address yet another article reference from what Paragon Defender provocatively posted...and I began doing that in my last post.
Reference from the article that Paragon Defender tried to sneek by as a "caucus": One could research the numerous topics and cross-references of the Topical Guide and Guide to the Scriptures referring to Jesus Christ and still not understand the breadth of information on the Savior that the Prophet Joseph Smith brought to the world.
I have a copy of the Topical Guide to the Scriptures of of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (published by the church-owned Deseret Book Company, 1977). I will reference this in my posts as the '77 TopGuide.
What are some of the other objectionable components of this book and the way they manufacture a distinctly different Jesus (I will only quote those references under the headings where they attempt to sale a different Jesus):
(1) '77 TopGuide, p. 229: Alma 7:10: "He shall be born of Mary, at Jerusalem which is the" [Joseph Smith was ignorant that the Christ child was born in Bethlehem!!!...since his birthplace is linked to a prophesy in Micah 5, Ephrata, no Jewish prophet in the Book of Mormon -- if there was one -- would make this mistake...In that day, Bethlehem was NOT considered as "Jerusalem," no matter what Mormon apologists try to tell you!]
(2) '77 TopGuide, p. 239: D&C19:10: For Endless is my Name [This is where Smith tried to change the doctrine of eternal hell to just being temporary -- making "endless" an adjective of Jesus' Name!]
(3) '77 TopGuide, pp. 231, 233 [see Jesus Christ, Crucifixion of" and "Jesus Christ, Death of": References: "3 Nephi 9:16(1-22)" on p. 231 and "3 Nephi 8:5(5-25)" on pp. 231, 233.]
Now why would it be important for Christians to respond to this?
* The Biblical Jesus came to be our righteousness (1 Cor. 1:30); the Book of Mormon jesus came to search for mere human-produced righteousness (3 Nephi 9:11)
* The Biblical Jesus came to see that they would have life (John 10:10); the Book of Mormon jesus came to bring down destruction (3 Nephi 9:12) and ensure that people would "howl" in that destruction (3 Nephi 8:23)
* The Biblical Jesus came to ensure people would have abundant life (John 10:10); the Book of Mormon jesus came to ensure people would be in "continual...mourning" (3 Nephi 8:23)
* The Biblical Jesus came to be the Light of the world (John 1:9; 8:12; 9:5); the Book of Mormon jesus came to yield complete darkness for three days (3 Nephi 8:23)
* This ABSOLUTELY VITAL difference of the Mormon “restored gospel” is presenting a violent Mormon jesus: When the Mormon jesus dies, he unleashes punishment and levels 16 cities, killing 70,000-->90,000 people (see 3 Nephi 8 and 3 Nephi 9). Nothing of the kind is stated in the Bible.
Yes, there was judgment on the cross!
Yes, it was terrible!
But the real Jesus absorbed all of that judgment and terror -- our very sins -- there on the cross!
Too many LDS & RLDS alike ONLY see the Book of Mormon Easter judgment upon people! The week that followed the Book of Mormon jesus’ resurrection, was a terrible 4 days or so! No wonder they want to stay away from the cross and what immediately happened according to the Joseph Smith version of events:
Mormon version of Jesus speaking post-resurrection:
city Zarahemla: I burned with fire, and the inhabitants thereof [3 Nephi 9:3; cf. 3 Nephi 8:8, 24)
city Moroni: I caused to be sunk in the depths of the sea, and the inhabitants thereof to be drowned. [3 Nephi 9:4; cf. 3 Nephi 8:9]
city Moronihah: have I covered with earth, and the inhabitants thereof, to hide their iniquities and their abominations from before my face, that the blood of the prophets and the saints shall not come any more unto me against them. (3 Nephi 9:5)
city Gilgal: have I caused to be sunk, and the inhabitants thereof to be buried up in the depths of the earth; [3 Nephi 9:6]
cities Onihah, Mocum, and Jerusalem: waters have I caused to come up in the stead thereof, to hide their wickedness and abominations from before my face, that the blood of the prophets and the saints shall not come up any more unto me against them. [3 Nephi 9:7]
cities Gadiandi, Gadiomnah, Jacob, and Gimgimno: all these have I caused to be sunk, and made hills and valleys in the places thereof; and the inhabitants thereof have I buried up in the depths of the earth, to hide their wickedness and abominations from before my face, that the blood of the prophets and the saints should not come up any more unto me against them. [3 Nephi 9:8]
city Jacobugath: have I caused to be burned with fire because of their sins and their wickedness, which was above all the wickedness of the whole earth, because of their secret murders and combinations; for it was they that did destroy the peace of my people and the government of the land; therefore I did cause them to be burned, to destroy them from before my face, that the blood of the prophets and the saints should not come up unto me any more against them. [3 Nephi 9:9]
cities Laman, Josh, Gad, Kishkumen: have I caused to be burned with fire, and the inhabitants thereof, because of their wickedness in casting out the prophets, and stoning those whom I did send to declare unto them concerning their wickedness and their abominations. [3 Nephi 9:10]
In the true gospel Jesus is entombed.
In the Mormon “restored gospel", the mass of people in Moronihah is the emphasis of entombment, having been covered with an entire mountain by the Mormon jesus! (3 Nephi 8:10)
On Easter week! The other cities were all either sunk by the Mormon jesus, or horrifically burned to death, plus for added emphasis, ”many great destructions have I caused to come upon this land...” (3 Nephi 9:12)
The true gospel: "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners." (Bible, Mark 2:17)
The Mormon Easter version of this: 11 And because they did cast them all out, that there were NONE RIGHTEOUS AMONG THEM, I did send down fire and destroy them, that their wickedness and abominations might be hid from before my face, that the blood of the prophets and the saints whom I sent among them might not cry unto me from the ground against them. [3 Nephi 9:11]
Now if the destruction of all these Book of Mormon “cities” wasn’t enough of an “Easter tale” for Smith, here’s what he said went on in immediate days following Jesus’ resurrection:
3 Nephi 9:12:
12 And many great destructions have I caused to come upon this land…
3 Nephi 8:
6 And there was also a great and terrible tempest; and there was terrible thunder, insomuch that it did shake the whole earth as if it was about to divide asunder.
7 And there were exceedingly sharp lightnings, such as never had been known in all the land.
11 And there was a great and terrible destruction in the land southward.
12 But behold, there was a more great and terrible destruction in the land northward; for behold, the whole face of the land was changed, because of the tempest and the whirlwinds, and the thunderings and the lightnings, and the exceedingly great quaking of the whole earth;
13 And the highways were broken up, and the level roads were spoiled, and many smooth places became rough.
15 And there were some cities which remained; but the damage thereof was exceedingly great, and there were many in them who were slain.
16 And there were some who were carried away in the whirlwind; and whither they went no man knoweth, save they know that they were carried away.
17 And thus the face of the whole earth became deformed, because of the tempests, and the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the quaking of the earth.
18 And behold, the rocks were rent in twain; they were broken up upon the face of the whole earth, insomuch that they were found in broken fragments, and in seams and in cracks, upon all the face of the land.
19 And it came to pass that when the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the storm, and the tempest, and the quakings of the earth did cease—for behold, they did last for about the space of three hours; and it was said by some that the time was greater; nevertheless, all these great and terrible things were done in about the space of three hours—and then behold, there was darkness upon the face of the land.
20 And it came to pass that there was thick darkness upon all the face of the land, insomuch that the inhabitants thereof who had not fallen could feel the vapor of darkness;
21 And there could be no light, because of the darkness, neither candles, neither torches; neither could there be fire kindled with their fine and exceedingly dry wood, so that there could not be any light at all;
22 And there was not any light seen, neither fire, nor glimmer, neither the sun, nor the moon, nor the stars, for so great were the mists of darkness which were upon the face of the land.
23 And it came to pass that it did last for the space of three days that there was no light seen; and there was great mourning and howling and weeping among all the people continually; yea, great were the groanings of the people, because of the darkness and the great destruction which had come upon them.
24 And in one place they were heard to cry, saying: O that we had repented before this great and terrible day, and then would our brethren have been spared, and they would not have been burned in that great city Zarahemla…
I'm sorry, but Jesus didn't come to make people "howl" in their own destruction (3 Nephi 8:23)...that wasn't his purpose in coming the first time!
Jesus said: I am come that they might have LIFE, and that they might have it more abundantly. (John 10:10)
(4) '77 TopGuide, pp. 224, 226, 232, 234, 250: This book cites JFS - V -- standing for "Joseph F. Smith - Vision" -- which was originally at that time NOT yet Doctrine & Covenants 138. '77 TopGuide references vv. 2, 3, 24, 18, 27 and 35 in conjunction with "Jesus Christ."
Now why is this inflammatory & should be allowed to be responded to by the Christian community?
'Twas 1918 -- and Joseph F. Smith -- a nephew of Joseph Smith -- was mourning the death of his eldest son, Hyrum Mack Smith, who died January 1918 due to a ruptured appendix; 8 months later, in late September, Smith's daughter-in-law, Hyrum's widow, Ida Bowman Smith, died of heart failure a week after giving birth to a baby boy.
The grieving, ailing, aging 92 yo Smith probably sought contact with the spirit world.
Lds thought so much of more dead appearing to their "prophet" in 1918 that they added it to their "Scriptures" (D&C 138)...His uncle, Joseph Smith, has dozens of accounts of the dead appearing to him. And then the Lds church thought so much of this that they put most of them in a 2007 book on the series of Lds "Presidents" ("Prophets").
Specifically, Joseph F. Smith -- claimed 92 years ago this month to see the hosts of the dead, both small and great...an innumerable company of the spirits of the just (D&C 138:11-12) -- and these spirits were just waiting for Mormon missionaries to come their way to be redeemed -- as JF Smith said that the Mormon jesus had prepared "the faithful spirits of the prophets who had testified of him in the flesh; That they might carry the message of redemption unto all the dead, unto whom he could not go personally, because of their rebellion and transgression, that they through the ministration of his servants might also hear his words. (D&C 138:37-38)
Who was he talking about? This is where Mormon beliefs gets confusing. You need to understand that Mormonism teaches that the spirit world is on this planet; that it's not very far from us; and that "all mankind" goes there upon death, no matter what you did in this life. If you don't believe me, go to this Lds article as a primer: The Spirit World, Our Next Home So on the one hand, Joseph F. Smith mentions seeing the "spirits of the just", but then he also mentions seeing spirit-rebels.
Lds try to claim the apostle Peter's account of Jesus proclaiming victory to the dead in prison as Scriptural justification. But Jesus didn't go preach to the "just spirits." And the rebel spirits He preached to were only those who lived during Noah's day, a very limited number (1 Peter 3:20) in contrast to those who've ever lived on this planet. This Mormon elder writing this article tries to claim that a "gospel" was going out to those who "rejected the prophets," but there were no "prophets" mentioned in the first several chapters of the book of Genesis (up through Noah's day). Even Noah is never mentioned to be a prophet.
Besides, Jesus made it quite clear in an account about a certain rich man and a certain beggar named Lazarus (Luke 16) that when the wealthy man told Abraham that he had five brothers who should be warned about that place of flaming torment (Luke 16:23-28), Abraham told him: "They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them...If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead." (Luke 16:29, 31)
So: Joseph F. Smith and this elder-writer must consider Abraham and Jesus to be liars. Here they clearly said these in torment will not be persuaded even if a resurrected missionary comes to them. Mormons claim an entire missionary structure has been set up to go to the rebel dead who have rejected the prophets. [See link above, The Spirit World, Our Next Home, bottom of the article, for proof]. Who are you going to believe? Abraham and Jesus? Or the Mormon false prophets who contradict them?
Source: My post #2, from: The Doctrine of Temple Work
(See also: Becoming Scripture: D&C 138 )
JimRob, I appreciate your vigilance!
I do find it odd that the facts had escaped you for all those years, even though you had been to and finished a mission stint. The way you handle such enlightening is one of the reasons I have zero respect for you and your 'scholarship'. I will acknowledge you do have a zeal though. And you are very clever.
Not to worry...in the past few days it has been posted on FR that God is going to change DNA and genetics to conform to the Book of Mormon! Really!
Well then here ya go...official LDS site says same...but I can understand you trying to distance yourself from this...however trying to divert from the obvious relationship Muslim Leadership is promoting with Islam is likely hidden from the membership for the most part...though it’s spread across the Internet for inquiring minds.
Latter-day Saint appreciation of Muhammad’s role in history can also be found in the 1978 First Presidency statement regarding God’s love for all mankind. This declaration specifically mentions Muhammad as one of “the great religious leaders of the world” who received “a portion of God’s light” and affirms that “moral truths were given to [these leaders] by God to enlighten whole nations and to bring a higher level of understanding to individuals.”
Boldly I stand with the Lord’s annoited servant Joseph Smith and Jesus Christ and the Heavenly Father.
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Notice a couple of things here dragon...
first - Smith is listed FIRST, Jesus and God are second
Second - it is ‘the Lord’s annointed servant’ Joseph Smith. Notice Smith is the only one with adjectives attached?
Next they will be posting “Praise to the Man”...
Maybe get some tips to use when doing the Easter Egg thing for the kiddos...
not much especially when she still lives at home with her parents
.....but one thing for sure gossips & low lives with dirty minds still exist even today!
thanks for the proof!
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