To: Dr. Eckleburg; Quix
Augustine, just two years before death wrote in his book The Gift of Perseverance that not all who were predestined to come to Gods grace were predestined to remain with him until glory.
This was the understanding of Augustine, Aquinas, Luther, all they all believed that one could lose salvation, since it was evident for them that from the Bible, baptism saves, that the baptised may deny Jesus and that those who deny Jesus Christ will not be saved unless they repent.
Catholics, Orthodox, Lutherans, Anglicans, Methodists, Pentecostals all to some extent or the other acknowledge of mortal sins that can cause us to lose salvation (Quix -- pentecostals of course believe that sins against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, right?) at least in some form.
Only Calvinist reject mortal sins, believing in their caste system instead.
Calvin's influence can be seen on people who were driven to despair as the Calvinist explanation if anyone committed a grave sin is that they had never been Christians in the first place at all!! What despair.
To: Cronos
Certainly we believe the Scripture about blaspheming Holy Spirit.
2,071 posted on
01/30/2011 4:34:15 AM PST by
Quix
(Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
To: Cronos
Somehow you seem to be saying that only Calvinists believe in “once saved, always saved.”
But you’ve talked to dozens of Baptists on this forum who also believe in that Scriptural principle. Not just Calvinists.
You disprove your own thesis.
Again.
And for the third time, we were discussing Augustine’s agreement with the reformers on predestination and original sin. Not irresistible grace.
You lose.
Again.
2,117 posted on
01/30/2011 10:58:24 AM PST by
Dr. Eckleburg
("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
To: Cronos; Quix; Alex Murphy; Gamecock; metmom; RnMomof7; topcat54; caww; HarleyD; Forest Keeper; ...
Luther, all they all believed that one could lose salvation,While the five points of Calvinism (TULIP) were coined after Luther and Calvin lived, we know that Luther believed in Total Depravity, Unconditional Election, Irresistible Grace, and the Perseverance of the Saints. He was moderate in his understanding of Limited Atonement.
But that's no surprise. He was a first generation reformed, often still hamstrung by the papacy which he was leaving.
Catholics, Orthodox, Lutherans, Anglicans, Methodists, Pentecostals all to some extent or the other acknowledge of mortal sins that can cause us to lose salvation (Quix -- pentecostals of course believe that sins against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, right?) at least in some form.
Your are mighty confused about what Protestants believe.
We do not divide sins into "mortal" and "venial" sins. Sin is sin. What is a mortal sin to the Roman Catholic? Is it murder? Protestants believe even murder can be forgiven the Christian. Don't Roman Catholics?
We also know about the "unpardonable sin" which is most likely denying the Holy Spirit.
I would worry if I were a Roman Catholic because Rome seems to "deny the Holy Spirit" over and over when it substitutes Mary and its church hierarchy in the rightful place of the Holy Spirit.
Repent. God forgives a contrite heart.
2,119 posted on
01/30/2011 11:13:34 AM PST by
Dr. Eckleburg
("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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