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To: Cronos; blue-duncan; one Lord one faith one baptism; Dr. Eckleburg; metmom; Alex Murphy; Quix; ...
While his act of physical death will never be repeated, Jesus’ act of total self-giving to the Father for us (Rom. 8:32) continues eternally in Love—that is, the Holy Spirit.

I'm not sure of the source that you are quoting but this is an excellent example of how Roman Catholicism has fallen away from the faith. It no longer believes in the atonement of Christ. Rather, to Roman Catholics the death of Christ upon the cross is an "act of self-giving" of love. Likewise, we to should give ourselves up just as Christ gave Himself up for us. The Holy Spirit isn't a third person of the God-head. Instead the Holy Spirit becomes "love".

This isn't heresy. This is blasphemy and is illustrative of a cult. Christ's act upon the cross was not an act of self-giving. It was to redemptive act of sacrifice in which He physically had to atone for our sins. The Holy Spirit is a living person or the Trinity just as real as Christ or God the Father. His mission is not love but to bring glory to Christ. Love is a characteristic of the nature of the Holy Spirit. I would suggest you read some of the early church fathers on the atonement; not the dribble that comes from the Church today.

It is remarkable how much can be made of "the woman's seed" or the Passover Lamb's bones not being broke, but when it comes to the simple and obvious things, Roman Catholics fail to see the forest for the trees. This is a perfect illustration of the depths of mysticism the Catholic Church has fallen into and how they have departed from the true faith. Without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness of sin. (Heb 9:22)

962 posted on 01/27/2011 1:16:07 PM PST by HarleyD
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but this is an excellent example of how Roman Catholicism has fallen away from the faith. It no longer believes in the atonement of Christ. Rather, to Roman Catholics the death of Christ upon the cross is an "act of self-giving" of love. Likewise, we too should give ourselves up just as Christ gave Himself up for us. The Holy Spirit isn't a third person of the God-head. Instead the Holy Spirit becomes "love".

This isn't heresy. This is blasphemy and is illustrative of a cult. Christ's act upon the cross was not an act of self-giving. It was a redemptive act of sacrifice in which He physically had to atone for our sins. The Holy Spirit is a living person or the Trinity just as real as Christ or God the Father. His mission is not love but to bring glory to Christ. Love is a characteristic of the nature of the Holy Spirit. I would suggest you read some of the early church fathers on the atonement; not the dribble that comes from the Church today.

It is remarkable how much can be made of "the woman's seed" or the Passover Lamb's bones not being broke, but when it comes to the simple and obvious things, Roman Catholics fail to see the forest for the trees. This is a perfect illustration of the depths of mysticism the Catholic Church has fallen into and how they have departed from the true faith. Without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness of sin. (Heb 9:22)

So insightful, Harley. Rome has no concept of what the atonement really means. To Rome, it's just a feminized, feel-good emotion rather than a supernatural act of payment for sin.

978 posted on 01/27/2011 4:09:14 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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Sorry Harley, but you’ve repeated a lie. Christ’s atonement was ONCE. Jesus’s act of physical death happened ONCE in our timeline. God sees it as in revelation. You can argue with John of Patmos if you wish.


1,111 posted on 01/27/2011 10:16:26 PM PST by Cronos
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