Abusive mom was leader of LDS children's organization, story on Dr. Phil-UPDATED

Anchorage Daily News ^ | January 27, 2011 | Staff

[svcw]

I do not care who you consider brother, I am telling you lds are not brothers in Christ because they have a different view of Christ. Their christ is not eternal, he is created.

[svcw]

Ok, it. Beginning to think they are closet lds.........:)

[GladesGuru]

“And this has what to do with an out of control woman abusing her children?”

EVERYTHING! IT HAS EVERYTHING TO WITH THE FACT THAT MORMONS MAKE HOT SAUCE ! ! !

Hot Sauce is their sacrament, Don’t Ya know? OR DON”T YA CARE ? ?

Oops - so this isn’t the thread on Hot Sauce Abusers Anonymous?

Please forgive me while I go clean the drool off the screen ....

And where ARE my meds, anyway?

;-)

[Bruinator]

Newsroom:
Enlisting the Members to Stop Child Abuse
A Latter-day Saint congregation is like a big family, a group of people working together with an attitude of mutual support. The Church has long encouraged families to talk about child abuse, to educate themselves on how to recognize and prevent such tragedies. Since 1976, more than 50 news and magazine articles have appeared in Church publications condemning child abuse or educating members about it. Church leaders have spoken out on the subject more than 30 times at Church worldwide conferences. Child abuse is the subject of a regular lesson taught during Sunday meetings.

The Church has also developed extensive training materials and videotapes. These materials are used to train Church leaders on how to identify and respond to such abuse. A 24-hour Help Line staffed with professional counselors provides customized advice so local leaders can take appropriate action in each case.

Finally, the Church is doing everything it can to strengthen families. Every person and institution must do their part but, in the end, strong, loving and watchful families are the best defense against child abuse. President Gordon B. Hinckley has said: “All of this will happen and get worse unless there is an underlying acknowledgment, yes, a strong and fervent conviction, concerning the fact that the family is an instrument of the Almighty. It is His creation. It is also the basic unit of society.”

Child Abuse-LDS Newsroom

If they find the need to commit this much effort on this issue, it would seem they are acknowledging a problem within their organization (some call it a church).

[laotzu]

..lds are not brothers in Christ because they have a different view of Christ

I am aware of your ruling on this topic.

Mormons believe that Jesus is Christ, and that He died on the cross for our sins.

By definition, that makes them Christians.

I do not share your condemnation of Mormons. Fury like that needs company to feed it. Perhaps your friends are right, and that you should no longer engage me. Fury starves quickly if not constantly supplemented.

Maybe I'm ignorant. Maybe I'm a closet LDSer. Maybe I'm a racist. Quick, before you starve, find a reason to dismiss me!! Or.....join me:

Blame Alaska!!

[svcw]

Mormons believe that Jesus is Christ, and that He died on the cross for our sins.

No they do not. Research the subject.

[laotzu]

If they find the need to commit this much effort on this issue, it would seem they are acknowledging a problem within their organization

Billy Graham frequently preached about sin. Uh Oh!!

Mother Teresa often spoke against abortion. Doesn't that mean that she was getting some on the side?

[rickomatic]

If someone is a sick child abuser they should be dealt with harshly by the authorities. What Church they go to is not relevant unless that church is teaching them to be abusive. The LDS church does not.

Joseph Smith actually sexually abused young women.

[laotzu]

No they do not

Again, I am aware of your ruling on this subject.

Benevolence & best intentions aside, it is not you who gets to dictate Mormon beliefs, any more than who I define as my brother in Christ.

[svcw]

"Because of the Atonement of Jesus Christ, all mankind, even as many as will, shall be redeemed. The Savior began shedding His blood for all mankind, not on the cross but in the Garden of Gethsemane. There He took upon Himself the weight of the sins of all who would ever live. Under that [page 6] heavy load, He bled at every pore," (Russell M. Nelson, "His Mission and Ministry," New Era, Dec. 1999, p. 4, 6

[MHGinTN]

Ah, but Joey called it ‘approved polygamy’ so Emma would keep her mouth shut.

[Bruinator]

We all have sin, and your argument is specious at best.

[Alamo-Girl]

The poison pill concerns the LDS insistence on being called Christian whereas the LDS doctrine completely disagrees with Judeo/Christian doctrine on “Who God IS.”

In the LDS doctrine of pre-mortal existence, God the Father had a Father who had a Father and so on.

That doctrine denies the Name of God: I AM, Creator, Alpha, Omega, He IS (YHwH), God Almighty (El Shaddai) and so on because under that doctrine, He is merely “a” God, not “the” God.

First, the LDS doctrine:

Premortal Existence

Council in Heaven

Joseph Smith’s sermon on the plurality of “gods:”

I will preach on the plurality of Gods. I have selected this text for that express purpose. I wish to declare I have always and in all congregations when I have preached on the subject of the Deity, it has been the plurality of Gods. It has been preached by the Elders for fifteen years…

If Abraham reasoned thus—If Jesus Christ was the Son of God, and John discovered that God the Father of Jesus Christ had a Father, you may suppose that He had a Father also. Where was there ever a son without a father? And where was there ever a father without first being a son? Whenever did a tree or anything spring into existence without a progenitor? And everything comes in this way. Paul says that which is earthly is in the likeness of that which is heavenly, Hence if Jesus had a Father, can we not believe that He had a Father also? I despise the idea of being scared to death at such a doctrine, for the Bible is full of it.

I want you to pay particular attention to what I am saying. Jesus said that the Father wrought precisely in the same way as His Father had done before Him. As the Father had done before. He laid down His life, and took it up the same as His Father had done before. He did as He was sent, to lay down His life and take it up again; and then was committed unto Him the keys, &c. I know it is good reasoning…

And again in this LDS article:

People on Other Worlds

How Long Has This Been Going On?

This insight of the gospel into the subject of outer space is what makes the whole subject meaningful. When you look up into the heavens at night and see the countless numbers of stars, it is easy to imagine other people “out there” being tested and tried and experiencing struggles and joys somewhat similar to those we are going through. But the most exciting thing about this whole basic and fundamental concept is that it is true. Totally and completely true. People growing, developing, and finding fulfillment—out there!

The Prophet Joseph Smith taught: “God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man. … he was once a man like us … God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth. …” 6

“If Jesus Christ was the Son of God, and … God the Father of Jesus Christ had a Father, you may suppose that He had a Father also. … And where was there ever a father without first being a son? … If Jesus had a Father, can we not believe that He had a Father also? …

“He [Jesus] laid down His life, and took it up, the same as His Father had done before.” 7

Long before our God began his creations, he dwelt on a mortal world like ours, one of the creations that his Father had created for him and his brethren. He, with many of his brethren, was obedient to the principles of the eternal gospel. One among these, it is presumed, was a savior for them, and through him they obtained a resurrection and an exaltation on an eternal, celestial world. 8 Then they gained the power and godhood of their Father and were made heirs of all that he had, continuing his works and creating worlds of their own for their own posterity—the same as their Father had done before, and his Father, and his Father, and on and on…

And then Scripture:

And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. – Exodus 3:14

Remember the former things of old: for I [am] God, and [there is] none else; [I am] God, and [there is] none like me, Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times [the things] that are not [yet] done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: - Isaiah 46:9-10

Interestingly, the Name of God “YHwH” is often translated “The Lord” in the Old Testament. It means “He IS”

In appearance, Yhwh () is the third person singular imperfect "ḳal" of the verb ("to be"), meaning, therefore, "He is," or "He will be," or, perhaps, "He lives," the root idea of the word being,probably, "to blow," "to breathe," and hence, "to live." With this explanation agrees the meaning of the name given in Ex. iii. 14, where God is represented as speaking, and hence as using the first person—"I am" (, from , the later equivalent of the archaic stem ). The meaning would, therefore, be "He who is self-existing, self-sufficient," or, more concretely, "He who lives," the abstract conception of pure existence being foreign to Hebrew thought. There is no doubt that the idea of life was intimately connected with the name Yhwh from early times. He is the living God, as contrasted with the lifeless gods of the heathen, and He is the source and author of life (comp. I Kings xviii.; Isa. xli. 26-29, xliv. 6-20; Jer. x. 10, 14; Gen. ii. 7; etc.). So familiar is this conception of God to the Hebrew mind that it appears in the common formula of an oath, "ḥai Yhwh" (= "as Yhwh lives"; Ruth iii. 13; I Sam. xiv. 45; etc.).

Jewish Encyclopedia

And we Christians must never deny a Name of God.

Because he hath set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver him: I will set him on high, because he hath known my name. – Psalms 91:4

Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. – Matt 10:32-33

And ye shall overthrow their altars, and break their pillars, and burn their groves with fire; and ye shall hew down the graven images of their gods, and destroy the names of them out of that place. Ye shall not do so unto the LORD your God. - Deuteronomy 12:3-4

Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and [that] no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost. –I Corinthians 12:3

“Hallowed be thy Name…”

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. - Revelation 1:7-8

In sum, the doctrine that God is "a" God and not "the" God is the “poison pill” which prevents peace between Christians (Catholic, Protestant, etc.) and Mormons.

God's Name is I AM.

[svcw]

Nicely done.

[MHGinTN]

“Mormons believe that Jesus is Christ, and that He died on the cross for our sins. By definition, that makes them Christians.” Close, but not quite correct, which is typical for mormonism apologiss at FR. And you wouldn’t want to be associated to them! ... BTW, an interesting switch in pronouns you made, Mormon. You went from ‘our’ to ‘them’; are you conflicted in your beliefs?

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you so much for your encouragement, dear svcw!

[svcw]

All you have to do is look at the profile page for your answer,

[SENTINEL]

You miss the point entirely.

When someone is “called” to position in the FLDS/LDS Church, it is by a leader who claims to receive the revelation directly from God. This leaves only two scenarios here, either God wanted a child abuser to be in charge of hundreds of children, OR THE CHURCH IS FALSE AND THIS IS PROOF THERE IS NO REVELATION FROM GOD TO MORMONS !

[Religion Moderator]

What is the source for your post 44?