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Abuse of Caucus [whiner's caucus]
Self | 22 Feb 2011 | Natural Law

Posted on 02/22/2011 2:53:04 PM PST by Natural Law

An alarming trend is developing in the Free Republic Religion Forum in which a caucus identifier is being claimed for non-existent or impossibly defined groups. With the caucuses being self defined we see nonsense like the Sola Scriptura Caucus. Of course it doesn’t mean all Scripture, only the thread initiators or Forum Moderators definition of Scripture. Jews who believe in the Scripture of the Old Testament are excluded. Mormons, Seventh Day Adventists, and Jehovah’s Witnesses are excluded even though they believe in the sufficiency of their own versions of Scripture. The not so transparent purpose of these faux caucuses is clearly to exclude a group of FReepers in a modern day repetition of “Whites Only” and “Irish Need Not Apply” prejudice. If this is allowed to stand what will we see next; caucuses so narrowly defined so as to only include one’s bridge club or to exclude an individual FReeper? How about a caucus designation for everyone but citizens from New York? How about a men’s only caucus? How about a caucus for those of us who drive BMWs? And what is being discussed in these faux caucus threads? Critical doctrinal issues such as ruggedized aircraft, home schooling, and civil unrest in Egypt. Give me a break!


TOPICS: Ecumenism; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: caucusaddedbyjr; caucusthreads; religionforum; religionforumghetto; whiner; whinercaucus; whinerscaucus
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To: don-o

Is the Virgin Mary the only way to Jesus Christ?

Must you must confess your sins to an intermediary other than Jesus Christ, even tho Christ tore the veil that stands between God and man??

Can the Holy Spirit enlighten you personally, as scripture says?

Must you have a magisterium, priests and a pope?

In spite of what scripture says, is the Pope God’s stand-in on earth instead of the Holy Spirit?


401 posted on 02/22/2011 11:51:41 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

BLESSED BE THE NAME OF THE LORD.

BLESSED BE THE WORD OF THE LORD.


Thanks for your kind, affirming, perceptive words.


402 posted on 02/22/2011 11:54:01 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: xzins
I don't think you understand the history you are addressing. Up 'til the point when religion forum caucus threads were created, ALL threads on Free Republic were OPEN, to include those in the Religion Forum.

I do not dispute DrEckleburg's memory that Roman Catholics were the first to ask for a place where they could discuss their beliefs in peace. My memory says she's right.

It doesn't really matter, because the RM came up with the open/caucus/devotional concept. By those designations, folks were able to have free-for-all discussions with all warts showing (open); in-group, non-polarized discussions (caucus); and prayer/reflection time with no negativity whatsoever (devotional).

Personally, I think it was a great plan, and I think it has worked very well.

I could have saved a lot of time and posting if I had seen this comment earlier. 8~)

AMEN!

403 posted on 02/22/2011 11:59:50 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Upon advice of my adviser, you are on my permanent DNR (do not respond) List. This will be my first and last post to you.


404 posted on 02/23/2011 2:45:41 AM PST by don-o (He will not share His glory; and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever.)
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To: OrthodoxKirkPresbyterian; Quix

(((you were the reason I wanted to stay away from freerepublic completely)))

And yet, somehow, you were irresistibly drawn... ;-)


405 posted on 02/23/2011 3:42:41 AM PST by Gamecock (The resurrection of Jesus Christ is both historically credible and existentially satisfying. T.K.)
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To: Persevero

I knew I was taking your phrase out of context, I meant no harm by it but was just reminded of my heritage and what a huge difference it made for me eventually that the Edict of Nantes was revoked. I would guess that a lot of people don’t even know what it was about.

Proud Huguenot.


406 posted on 02/23/2011 4:11:33 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Of course Obama loves his country. The thing is, Sarah loves mine.)
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To: Natural Law

We need some rules...How much whining do I have to do to join your thread??? Is once enough???


407 posted on 02/23/2011 5:09:06 AM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; ...
Must be my
magnetic personality,
in spite of my style?


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408 posted on 02/23/2011 5:43:19 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

I encourage you to pitch camp and build a retirement home . . . if you plan to wait for an answer.


409 posted on 02/23/2011 5:45:25 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Iscool

There must be an initiates category.

RC’s are great at shepherding initiates . . .

and teaching them various physical therapies.


410 posted on 02/23/2011 5:46:27 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix

I need that kitty!


411 posted on 02/23/2011 5:57:02 AM PST by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice.)
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To: netmilsmom

LOL.

The real kitty I can’t deliver.

the pic is available at photobucket.com

Search under “pouting.”

Have you been around Burmese cats? Very affectionate, smart, playful.


412 posted on 02/23/2011 6:01:17 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix

Oh! No, I haven’t. But my kitty that lived for 20 years was half Siamese. He had a big throaty meow and would run to the door to see who was there.
He turned most people who didn’t like cats.

Now, we have a cat that adopted my oldest daughter who is an orange tabby like that baby. Everyone loves him because he is like a lump of cat.


413 posted on 02/23/2011 6:05:30 AM PST by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice.)
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To: netmilsmom

Those kind can be precious, indeed.

Burmese are communicative but not as loud as Siamese.

They learn all manner of tricks . . . batting paperwad balls etc.

My friend had a carpeted pole up a door jam and a very long shelf just 8-12” under the ceiling also carpeted . . . and a pair of Burmese. They would tear around the little apartment and up and down the contraption chasing one another . . . they’d ride for some time draped around one’s neck . . . They’d lay on the upper shelf and bat paper wad balls repeatedly. Real characters.


414 posted on 02/23/2011 6:13:58 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix

Awesome post Quix, thank you!


415 posted on 02/23/2011 6:28:48 AM PST by T Minus Four ("If Mormonism were a cult, I would know it and I would not be in it")
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To: Quix

LOL!

That sounds like a BLAST!


416 posted on 02/23/2011 6:37:35 AM PST by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice.)
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To: Quix
Do you notice how many dozens and dozens of assaultive posts I totally ignore?

Yes, and I'm playing day-after catchup on this thread and YOU are a warrior my FRiend. Keep it up - I'm proud of you.

417 posted on 02/23/2011 6:39:42 AM PST by T Minus Four ("If Mormonism were a cult, I would know it and I would not be in it")
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To: netmilsmom

It was fun. I tended to visit daily in my teens.


418 posted on 02/23/2011 6:40:14 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: T Minus Four; caww

Yeah, CAWW wrote excellent points well said.

I just thought the points needed vivid emphasis.

They depict what I see and how I see of FR’s great strengths in terms of the Rel Forum and our great RM’s leadership in it.

We really do learn and strengthen one another’s hand in the Lord in ways that play well where the rubber meets the road.


419 posted on 02/23/2011 6:43:20 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix

I think my heaven will be a dozen kittens.
Like the Half-Time show of the Puppy Bowl.


420 posted on 02/23/2011 6:46:13 AM PST by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice.)
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To: netmilsmom
...lump of cat"

LOL! I know exactly what that means because we have a lump of cat. A large lump.

421 posted on 02/23/2011 6:48:11 AM PST by T Minus Four ("If Mormonism were a cult, I would know it and I would not be in it")
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To: T Minus Four

>>LOL! I know exactly what that means because we have a lump of cat. A large lump. <<

Ours is also like a “Bag of Cat”.
Seems that when you lift him up, all the bones and muscles slip to the bottom.

Kind of like lifting up a bag of Jello!


422 posted on 02/23/2011 6:53:56 AM PST by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice.)
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To: T Minus Four

You are a blessing and an encouragement. PRAISE GOD.


423 posted on 02/23/2011 7:03:56 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: netmilsmom

I could understand that.

I like the Heaven Visitation narratives that include mention of animals.


424 posted on 02/23/2011 7:04:53 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: netmilsmom

Or somewhat like a bag of loose sand?

Particularly if he isn’t all that interested in being moved?


425 posted on 02/23/2011 7:06:10 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix

THAT’S it!!!!!


426 posted on 02/23/2011 7:10:37 AM PST by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice.)
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To: netmilsmom

LOL.

I know the type.

BTW, congrats on 20 years with a great cat.


427 posted on 02/23/2011 7:13:22 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix

We already know there will be horses. Why not our other beloved animal companions like dogs and cats? We’re not told, but we can hope :-)


428 posted on 02/23/2011 7:16:46 AM PST by T Minus Four ("If Mormonism were a cult, I would know it and I would not be in it")
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To: Mad Dawg; Dr. Eckleburg; 1000 silverlings

Dawg, it’s not all that difficult. You’re either worshiping the true God or you’re worshiping a god of your own making. That’s the message of Scripture.

Those not in Christ are all idolaters, full stop. And even Christians will from time to time be tempted to focus their gaze on something other than God, which is idolatry. See 1 Cor 6:10, Eph 5:5, Col 3:5.

My suggestion is to put aside the philosophical construct that you normally use and try to understand the biblical philosophical construct. You may not agree with it but at least you’ll understand it’s position.


429 posted on 02/23/2011 7:17:51 AM PST by the_conscience (We ought to obey God, rather than men. (Acts 5:29b))
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To: Quix

As i have been blessed :-)


430 posted on 02/23/2011 7:18:00 AM PST by T Minus Four ("If Mormonism were a cult, I would know it and I would not be in it")
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To: Quix; netmilsmom

Loose bag of sand? Yes, you’ve met my kitty!


431 posted on 02/23/2011 7:19:33 AM PST by T Minus Four ("If Mormonism were a cult, I would know it and I would not be in it")
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To: Mad Dawg
But we look at the meaning of it and at the trend, so to speak,of the Apostolic Church in another way.

What does 'the trend' mean? Sorry, but I'm confused with your post. Are you saying you look at the meaning of Galatians and at the trend of the Apostolic Church, which I assume you are talking about the Roman Catholic Church, in a different way from...what...? The Bible, different Churches...I'm confused by your meaning here.

432 posted on 02/23/2011 7:24:49 AM PST by smvoice (Defending the Indefensible: The Pride of a Pawn.)
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To: Quix

Your ridiculous little illiterate opinion has been noted.


433 posted on 02/23/2011 7:34:39 AM PST by rbmillerjr (I will not, under any circumstances, vote for Mitt Romney....none.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Sorry if I am confusing. I said I was pleasantly surprised that you used the term “Roman Catholic” for Catholics, as it is better than “papist,” “romanist,” “RC,” etc.

When I said “Catholic > Roman Catholic > papist,” I was trying to clarify that, although using the term “Roman Catholic” is better than using the term “papist,” using “Catholic” without the “Roman” is best.

I hope this clears things up.


434 posted on 02/23/2011 7:36:17 AM PST by WPaCon
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To: TotusTuus; rogator

Thanks for the clarification


435 posted on 02/23/2011 7:37:56 AM PST by WPaCon
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To: Quix

Surely you mean a queenly or princely bag of loose sand? We are talking about their majesties are we not?


436 posted on 02/23/2011 7:48:29 AM PST by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: the_conscience
Dawg, it’s not all that difficult.

Yeah, IMHO,it is. And it's particularly so because, if I listen to some of the words people use, it sounds like they think there is more than one god.

The question still is, since my thoughts and intentions as I turn to God will be, are bound to be, in some respects erroneous until the day I see Him face to face, when it the error so great as to be disastrous? Certainly, IF the Muslims can be said in any way to worship the God of Abraham, then it is as if they looked through a very thick veil, discerned immensely badly, and drew disastrous conclusions from what they thought they saw. But there is a difference between, "They worship the God of Abraham, whom they misunderstand terribly," and "They worship some other god," which think is a very difficult way of speaking. I AM very open to "They worship an intellectual idol of their own making," but that's importantly different from, "They worship another god." As far as putting aside my philosophical constructs is concerned, one of my habitual addresses to is "Not as I think Thou art but as Thou knowest thyself to be."

437 posted on 02/23/2011 7:54:59 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: WPaCon

How do you know enough to have an opinion ?


438 posted on 02/23/2011 7:56:11 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7

This isn’t a topic that requires much knowledge in order to form an opinion.


439 posted on 02/23/2011 7:58:12 AM PST by WPaCon
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To: johngrace

Thank you. Praise God!


440 posted on 02/23/2011 7:58:55 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: netmilsmom; Judith Anne; trisham
"And being called a whiner by the owner."

Its a badge that I will wear with honor. I am a Fisheater, an in your face Catholic who is not cowed or intimidated by earthly authority. If Free Republic disappeared tomorrow my life would change very little. Besides, anyone with a knowledge and appreciation for US history knows that anti-Catholicism is deeply institutionalized within our society to the degree that even the worst offenders are rarely aware of it.

441 posted on 02/23/2011 8:06:58 AM PST by Natural Law
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To: Mad Dawg
Sorry about not responding to your post earlier. Unfortunately, I missed it along the way somehow.

But what you've said is exactly the point I was getting at. Thanks for posting it.

442 posted on 02/23/2011 8:07:46 AM PST by Titanites
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To: Natural Law

Isn’t that the truth.
My former Presbyterian DH was totally unaware of that history.


443 posted on 02/23/2011 8:14:04 AM PST by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice.)
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To: WPaCon

Actually I think it does.. sometimes fools rush in where angels fear to tread


444 posted on 02/23/2011 8:18:07 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: smvoice

By “Apostolic Church”in that post I meant the Church between the Ascension and the death of the last of the Apostles.

Some posit this “perfect” Church gathered at the mountain from which our Lord ascended. And pretty much everything is downhill from there.

Or, a modification of that notion is that the Church was really good until sometime after the death of the last apostle and, say, the Edict of Milan.

That is not my view.

Another view is that Acts and the Epistles present a body in conflict, with enemies without and dissension within. So many of Paul’s letters either directly address dissension or speak about how to address it. His most important and beautiful passages are side-by-side with appeals for unity.

Confronting these internal and external challenges, and guided by the Spirit, the Church slowly organizes itself into a structure able to deal with these challenges and to preserve the Gospel and unfold (which is the meaning of “develop”) the meaning of the Gospel in response to questions and challenges.

This view also depends on a reading of Scripture.

So in this view, Paul’s conversion and call, the subsequent conflicts with Peter (including both “the right hand of fellowship” and “I rebuked him to his face,”), AND the resolution of the conflicts by reaching a settlement in a council and sending Paul abroad represent PART of a Spirit-guided trend.

In this connection, I would note that Paul did not question Peter’s TEACHING, but accused him of ACTING like a wussy. This certainly is a part of the “trend”. Centuries later Catherine of Sienna (a lay Dominican) told the then pope to man up and quit acting like a wimp (with language almost that strong)!

I want to stress that this reading of the early Church also thinks it depends on Scripture. So we have conflicting interpretations of the passages from Galatians. If I may put it this way, you seem to say, “Look here. This shows my point is correct.”

And I’m saying, “Hold on a minute. Not so fast. There’s a whole big Bible out there and an official account (Acts) as well as other parts of this and other letters which may shed some light on this.”


445 posted on 02/23/2011 8:22:45 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Iscool

I think as a general guideline, one in every ten posts should include a whine.

Or actual tears in one of every 25 will also suffice.


446 posted on 02/23/2011 8:24:50 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Titanites

No problem and thank you.

Mad Dawg — lay Dominican
Have mouth. Will travel.


447 posted on 02/23/2011 8:27:41 AM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: T Minus Four

Some have reported seeing birds and other kinds of animals.


448 posted on 02/23/2011 8:28:06 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: T Minus Four

LOL . . .

particularly with a toddler aged child?


449 posted on 02/23/2011 8:29:05 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Mad Dawg
I hereby concede joyfully — just as soon as I stop laughing — that the non-Catholic-and-proud-of-it side has WAY funnier graphics.

Hey lets face it we have a better sense of humor and the ability to laugh at ourselves !

Hope all is well MD

450 posted on 02/23/2011 8:29:48 AM PST by RnMomof7
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