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Could this be the biggest find since the Dead Sea Scrolls?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1371290/Could-biggest-Dead-Sea-Scrolls-70-metal-books-cave-Jordan-change-view-Biblical-history.html ^ | March 30th, 2011

Posted on 03/30/2011 9:26:30 AM PDT by TaraP

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I believe it is a bit silly to try to interpret and speculate so much on this, trying to ‘soothe-say’ out of the bible, if you will. As we see in Revelations, there are some things that God just doesn't want us to know; trying to predict the end of the world, etc, based on the bible as applied to an archaeological find that has yet to be certified as authentic is really going a little far.

Just my take on the matter.

41 posted on 03/30/2011 10:28:28 AM PDT by Celtic Cross (Some minds are like cement; thoroughly mixed up and permanently set...)
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To: TaraP

***SEVEN seals, ***

If we look at the photo as we would look at a regular book, with the hinges (5) on the left, that gives us SEVEN seals on the top and right side.

Just a thought.


42 posted on 03/30/2011 10:32:15 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: TaraP

Are they gold plated books of Joseph Smith and the Mormons? (kidding)


43 posted on 03/30/2011 10:33:30 AM PDT by Buckeye Battle Cry (Terrorism in nothing more than Kinetic Islam)
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To: Celtic Cross

More here..
A group of 70 or so “books”, each with between five and 15 lead leaves bound by lead rings, was apparently discovered in a remote arid valley in northern Jordan somewhere between 2005 and 2007.

A flash flood had exposed two niches inside the cave, one of them marked with a menorah or candlestick, the ancient Jewish religious symbol.

A Jordanian Bedouin opened these plugs, and what he found inside might constitute extremely rare relics of early Christianity.

That is certainly the view of the Jordanian government, which claims they were smuggled into Israel by another

As soon as I saw that, I was dumbstruck”Philip Davies
Sheffield University The Israeli Bedouin who currently holds the books has denied smuggling them out of Jordan, and claims they have been in his family for 100 years.

Jordan says it will “exert all efforts at every level” to get the relics repatriated.

The director of the Jordan’s Department of Antiquities, Ziad al-Saad, says the books might have been made by followers of Jesus in the few decades immediately following his crucifixion. [I doubt this since Crucifixions on a “cross” didn’t happen until much later]

“They will really match, and perhaps be more significant than, the Dead Sea Scrolls,” says Mr Saad.

“Maybe it will lead to further interpretation and authenticity checks of the material, but the initial information is very encouraging, and it seems that we are looking at a very important and significant discovery, maybe the most important discovery in the history of archaeology.”

The texts might have been written in the decades following the crucifixion..They seem almost incredible claims - so what is the evidence?

The books, or “codices”, were apparently cast in lead, before being bound by lead rings. Their leaves - which are mostly about the size of a credit card - contain text in Ancient Hebrew, most of which is in code. If the relics are of early Christian origin rather than Jewish, then they are of huge significance.

One of the few people to see the collection is David Elkington, a scholar of ancient religious archaeology who is heading a British team trying to get the lead books safely into a Jordanian museum.

He says they could be “the major discovery of Christian history”, adding: “It’s a breathtaking thought that we have held these objects that might have been held by the early saints of the Church.” He believes the most telling evidence for an early Christian origin lies in the images decorating the covers of the books and some of the pages of those which have so far been opened.

Mr Elkington says the relics feature signs that early Christians would have interpreted as indicating Jesus, shown side-by-side with others they would have regarded as representing the presence of God.


44 posted on 03/30/2011 10:36:46 AM PDT by TaraP (An APPEASER is one who feeds a crocodile - hoping it will eat him last)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Yeah that’s true!

Hope more will be coming...!


45 posted on 03/30/2011 10:37:49 AM PDT by TaraP (An APPEASER is one who feeds a crocodile - hoping it will eat him last)
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To: TaraP

Thanks.

I kinda remember that story and always liked it!


46 posted on 03/30/2011 10:38:32 AM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: TaraP

And if you take 2 x 7 you get 14. Add the 1 and the 4 and you get 5.
Add the 5 to the original 14 and you get... 19!


47 posted on 03/30/2011 10:38:44 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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****How difficult would it have been to have taken good photographs of each “page” so everyone could study just what was recorded?****

What? And deny the Academics (and book publishers) the chance to hold these over our heads for the next 50 years like they did the Dead Sea Scrolls, only releasing a little bit here and a little bit there!


48 posted on 03/30/2011 10:38:44 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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***A Jordanian Bedouin opened these plugs, and what he found inside might constitute extremely rare relics of early Christianity.****

I am surprised he didn’t open the seals, cut the lead pages into little bitty pieces, then sell them to the authorities one little piece at a time as they did the Dead Sea Scrolls.

That is why many of the Dead Sea Scrolls are in such small pieces.


49 posted on 03/30/2011 10:44:18 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Isn't that the truth! Interesting.. And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals. And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof? (Revelation 5:1-2)
50 posted on 03/30/2011 10:44:56 AM PDT by TaraP (An APPEASER is one who feeds a crocodile - hoping it will eat him last)
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To: TaraP

neat


51 posted on 03/30/2011 10:46:04 AM PDT by commonguymd (Freedom is a myth anymore it seems)
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52 posted on 03/30/2011 10:53:30 AM PDT by Carpe Cerevisi
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I’ll have to look it up, but I seem to recall a passage in the Old Testament where the Prophet is handed a “little book” or “Scroll” (check relative meanings in Concordance) by an Angel, and instructed to eat it. It would be “sweet on (his) tongue but bitter in his stomach” - and sure enough it was.

Now in the olden days lead oxide was known as “sugar of lead”, and kids eat lead paint chips because they taste like candy... so a lead “book” might indeed taste sweet, but since it is also toxic would likely make anyone who swallowed it sick - bitter in the belly. I wonder if there might be any connection?

I have concerns about these going back to Jordan; you know what will happen to them if they fall into the hands of Muslims, don’t you?

Look what they did to the relics in the Museum at Cairo, which they took to be symbols of a non-Muslim religion, and thus they were obligated to desecrate or destroy. When they pull an Egypt in Jordan and know where these relics are, they will probably be in dire peril unless someone spirits them to safety somewhere very well concealed from Islam.


53 posted on 03/30/2011 11:14:14 AM PDT by George Varnum (Liberty, like our Forefather's Flintlock Musket, must be kept clean, oiled, and READY!)
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To: TaraP
Just in time for Easter.
prompting academics to speculate they are actually the lost collection of codices mentioned in the Bible’s Book Of Revelation

What "lost collection of codices"?

54 posted on 03/30/2011 12:09:37 PM PDT by Lee N. Field (Never argue eschatology with a crazy person.)
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I looked up the 3 "experts" quoted in the story and they all seem a little flaky to me so I'm skeptical about how meaningful these scrolls will be.

Interesting archeological find, but it probably will not add much to our understanding of the Bible.

55 posted on 03/30/2011 12:57:45 PM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: TaraP

If this is supposed to be from the 1st century or thereabouts, then something is fishy here. It is my understanding that the “books” were papyrus scrolls of that time, not the sort of leaved lead pages we see here. I think codices came later.


56 posted on 03/30/2011 12:58:43 PM PDT by sasportas
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To: colorcountry

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDrSLmrk9wo&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL


57 posted on 03/30/2011 1:37:04 PM PDT by BlueMoose
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Gen-u-WINE!


58 posted on 03/30/2011 1:54:24 PM PDT by colorcountry (Comforting lies are not your friends. Painful truths are not your enemies.)
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To: TaraP

I don’t think it’s the sealed up books Daniel was referring to.

I suspect the Bible Codes come closer to that.

However, it COULD be something from God.

We shall see.

If it strengthens the DEITY OF CHRIST . . . affirms that He came in the flesh and is the King of Kings, Lord of Lords, God incarnate, the basic doctrines of the faith . . . well and good.

Otherwise, no deal.


59 posted on 03/30/2011 3:33:42 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Errant

AMEN! TO THAT.


60 posted on 03/30/2011 3:34:43 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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