The Church Fathers-Mary: Without Sin

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[marshmallow]

Posted as a rebuttal to that atrocious thread about "apparitions'", which appeared around here a day or two ago. It was full of heresy and the foulest blasphemies.

[raygunfan]

agreed.

[raygunfan]

agreed.

[lastchance]

Thank you.

[RoadGumby]

Mary needed the Savior as much as anyone.

[wbarmy]

How can you use the “Ascension of Isaiah” when it is blasphemous? It describes Jesus as “disguising” Himself as an angel through several trips on the way to being born. The Lord has no need to disguise Himself. And many authorities agree that the Odes of Solomon are heretical. “The Father being milked by the Holy Spirit to cause the incarnation of Jesus.”

[AnAmericanMother]

Of course she did. Christ saved her ahead of time so that she could be a fit mother. God stands outside time.

[fishtank]

Luke 1:46-47

“And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,
And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my SAVIOUR.”

Yes, Mary the Mother of Jesus needed a SAVIOUR. And she has a SAVIOUR.

She was not sinless.

[Ransomed]

There are many who think of God as just a really nice powerful person. They have a hard time with the “master of time and space’ stuff and what that means.

Freegards

[Grunthor]

“Mary needed the Savior as much as anyone.”

Yep.

[RoadGumby]

Riiight. Mary worship is wrong. Sorry if that offends.

[eastsider]

The Lord has no need to disguise Himself.

OT, but What do you make of the disciples on the road to Emmaus (Luke 24) who didn't recognize Jesus after the Resurrection?

[lastchance]

Holy Mary conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse in thee.

[lastchance]

They do not understand the whole concept of Kairos. To them eternity is just one long stretch of never ending time.

[frogjerk]

Of course she did. Christ saved her ahead of time so that she could be a fit mother. God stands outside time.

Amen.

O Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee

[AnAmericanMother]

It's one of the Pseudoepigraphic works, and has never been recognized as within the canon of scripture.

But since it's generally acknowledged to be a composite work, parts of it may still be instructive . . . not as a matter of which belief is demanded, but an indication as to what Christians of the third century were thinking.

[runninglips]

Sorry, but the Catholic church is very little different than the Mormon church. They both read and inculcate written "teachings" that are clearly writings of man. They contradict both logic and the Mosaic texts. Mary, the mother of Yeshua, was a normal woman, that gave birth while still a virgin, yes. She went on to have other children by normal means. She was not a saint, no person alive or dead is a saint, but through judgment of God, not of men. There are many that live and are called holy and righteous, that Jesus himself will spit out, saying "I KNEW YOU NOT". They will go to eternal punishment, unless you wish to contradict the Lord Yeshua Messiah.

I am a Christian, with my own beliefs, it seems though that Catholics have nearly one of five threads going at all time. It is not informative, it is an attempt to push religious dogma. JMHO, and forgive me if I offended anyone.

[AnAmericanMother]

Who's worshipping Mary? Not me, and I don't know any Catholics who do (I'm sure we have our misguided and confused, just like every group on this fallible earth, but the Church does not approve and indeed forbids it.)

It makes perfect sense for God to purify the woman who was going to carry God in her body for nine months and then have (with St. Joseph) the raising and education of Him for all of His childhood. It is contrary to nothing in scripture, and indeed tallies with the angel Gabriel's salutation - "Hail, full of grace" (in the Greek, the verb form indicates a complete and perfect fullness) - with no room left for sin.

This does not mean that the Virgin Mary is divine or worthy of worship. The Church has always distinguished between worship, which is due to God alone, and the honor paid to saints, especially the Virgin Mary.

[Quix]

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REVISIONIST, UNBIBLICAL, PRETEND, FANTASY "HISTORY" STRIKES AGAIN!

[marshmallow]

Yes, Mary the Mother of Jesus needed a SAVIOUR. And she has a SAVIOUR.

Correct.

She was not sinless.

Incorrect.

For a description of why, step back from the modern American congregationalist approach, which is utterly adrift on a sea of individualism and subjectivity and try to reconnect with early Christian thought.

Check out the Church Fathers. What I've posted above is simply a few snippets. There are many other treatises on this subject. Worth a read.