Posted on 05/24/2011 2:32:34 PM PDT by Colofornian
WASHINGTON — Mitt Romney announced this afternoon that a veteran public relations consultant was joining his burgeoning campaign as a senior adviser.
Mark DeMoss is currently president of the DeMoss Group, which is a large Atlanta-based public relations agency that focuses on serving Christian leaders, businesses, and non-profit organizations.
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The campaign press release did not mention any religious component to DeMoss’s role, although in 2008 he was on the Romney campaign’s Faith and Values Steering Committee and spoke out prominently about why evangelical Christians should not discount Romney because of his Mormon faith.
DeMoss said in an interview later that he would play a similar role this time.
"I’ll reach out to evangelicals I’m sure, because I know that audience pretty well," he said. "I’ll help organize meetings, to get people of influence in front of the governor or get him in front of them."
He said no such meetings have taken place so far this year, but that he'll begin arranging them soon. DeMoss also said he would continue to run his firm, and was not being paid by the Romney campaign.
"I don’t want to presume they would pay me but I told Governor Romney the very first day I met him that I wanted to help him but he couldn’t pay me ever, and I’m going to hold to that," he said.
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The reasons that I will not vote for Romney in the primary has everything to do with his politics and nothing to do with his religion.
I will vote for whoever eventually wins the G.O.P. nomination. This nation will not survive another 4 years of Obama.
Glenn beck li9kes to have Evangelicals around him too
David barton for instance
Barton was on Becks TV show last week
Beck can have anyone he likes on his show
I just disagree with Beck tryinbg to pass off his guests as “Christian leaders”
Especially since David Barton thinks that Sharia law in Dearborn would be a great idea...
In this new case the same thing
No “Christian leader” would say that Mormonism is Christianity
Great. I guess we can look forward to a whole bunch more outright lies from “Evangelicals for Mitt”.
Grunthor, we both know Romney cannot beat Obama, right? Surely you concede that, don't you?
Think of it: 30 yo Mitt as a member of a church denying blacks the ability to be a priest.
The MSM would make it mostly a referenda on racism: White racist Mitt vs. Obama!
Now, if people would only think that through, then they'd know that casting a vote for a candidate that will lose is wasting their vote.
But your 'tude -- along with anybody else who thinks that way -- would only allow Romney to extend the inevitable: He'll lose; and the GOP would be the biggest loser long-term by suffering irreparable damage for putting forth its weakest candidate ever!
Social conservatives/Evangelicals would steer clear of him. Pro-life Democrats wouldn't vote for such a waffle iron. Of the three groups polled several years ago that identified the groups least likely to vote for a Mormon POTUS, it was actually moderates who were 11% less likely than conservatives to vote for one...so he wouldn't get the moderate vote.
He wouldn't get the African American vote, or minority vote identifying with Romney's racist past.
The GOP would be in horrendous long-term shape if it put forth Romney as its candidate!
DeMoss isn't a more "liberal" Baptist member...like the American Baptist denomination...he's a Southern Baptist, for crying out loud. A Liberty U grad. Sorry. But his church affiliation and background doesn't convey what you've just opined.
The reason I'm here is because I just want some information. I've always wondered, but never bothered to ask until now, because usually I'm not bothered by what other people think about Mormons. But could you please explain to me why Mormons aren't considered Christians? I believe in Jesus Christ, that He is the Son of God, that He died for our sins, He was resurrected, and only through Him can we be saved.
I really appreciate it if could help me understand this view that Mormons aren't Christian. Thanks!
So?
It IS 'permitted'.
NO one is STOPPING any MORMON from running for ANY office.
This is a primary reason that mormons aren't Christian.
The Nature of God
According to Mormon theology, in Doctrines and Covenants 130:22, "The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man's; the Son also".
According to Doctrines and Covenants section 93, man was co-eternal with God in the beginning. In 1844, Joseph Smith began teaching that the Book of Abraham teaches that God is but one link in an infinite ancestral chain of Gods stretching back through eternity. God is only one of innumerable Gods.
The Church believes that humans are the literal offspring of God and one of his celestial wives, and because of this we all have the potential to achieve exaltation to divine status.
Smith taught beginning in 1844 that God had a literal father, and that father had a literal father, and so on.
Mormons also teach that we existed in heaven with God (our literal Father) as spirits before we became human.
According to the Bible, Jesus teaches us that God is a spirit.
Man was not co-eternal with God. Jesus created man.
God did not procreate with celestial wives.
You state: " I believe in Jesus Christ, that He is the Son of God, that He died for our sins, He was resurrected, and only through Him can we be saved.
As a former mormon, I ask you do you really believe that "only through Him can we be saved"? If you believe that, what is the purpose of the temple rituals? Mormonism dictates that in order to reach "exaltation", (that is the mormon term for salvation in the Christian sense) you must obey all the rules of the mormon church in order to "be endowed" in the mormon temple, and ONLY those who are baptized and confirmed as members are eligible to be thus endowed and enter the "celestial" kingdom. Christianity has no such requirements.
That puts man and man's laws between you and the "only through Him can we be saved" Christ.
And, don't forget this proclamation by Brigham Young:
no man in this dispensation will enter the courts of heaven, without the approbation of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Jun.
Who has made this so?
Have I?
Have this people?
Have the world?
No; but the Lord Jehovah has decreed it.
If I ever pass into the heavenly courts, it will be by the consent of the Prophet Joseph.
If you ever pass through the gates into the Holy City, you will do so upon his certificate that you are worthy to pass.
Can you pass without his inspection?
No; neither can any person in this dispensation, which is the dispensation of the fulness of times.
In this generation, and in all the generations that are to come, everyone will have to undergo the scrutiny of this Prophet.
They say that they killed Joseph, and they will yet come with their hats under their arms and bend to him; but what good will it do them, unless they repent?
They can come in a certain way and find favor, but will they?
"If I ever pass into heavenly courts, it will be by the consent of Prophet Joseph"
--Brigham Young
--JOURNAL OF DISCOURSES, vol. 8, p. 224
That pretty much blows the "only through Him will we be saved" argument.
Now, you will hear that "we REALLY don't believe that nowadays"...but you still have to pass the "temple recommend interview" before you may become endowed, so the "certification" has been passed on down to current times....mormons still have man's laws to obey to be "saved through Christ".
Those are very fundamental differences that cause Christians to reject mormonism as a Christian faith or its members as "brothers and sisters"
Mormonism teaches a false god, a false jesus and a false trinity .
Mormons have a god that can not save them and like all men mormons can not save themselves by their "good works" or temple work..
We see Mormons as a deceived and lost people that need to repent their false god and to see themselves as sinners not worthy of salvation...their only salvation is the finished work of Jesus on the cross that can save them ..
DeMoss says he's not sure if he's getting paid by Romney. So, no, I don't assume this -- & don't think you should, either. One thing I always try to steer clear of is judging inward motivations unless somebody's already expressed them -- or if the larger group they are in already clearly indicates with significant documentation what their motivations are.
I believe in Jesus Christ, that He is the Son of God, that He died for our sins, He was resurrected, and only through Him can we be saved.
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You havent said how long you have been a Mormon so I dont know how much you may know about your chosen religion
Having been around mormonism for more than 40 years, I’ve had the opportunity to know what was taught in the past and now is denied as a doctrine due to unChristian disqualifications and/or immorally..
Lets start at the point where you claim to believe in a “Jesus Christ”
The Mormon prophet Hinckley claimed that the Mormon jesus was not the same LORD Jesus Christ as the Christians worshipped so you are speaking about the Christian God and the Mormon religious deities
The LORD Jesus Christ whom Christians believe in is God
In Christianity there has only ever been one God and only ever will be (The God of the Jews)
Mormons believe there are many gods and they all had fathers and that they too can become gods...their gods all started out as humans (Lorenzo Snows couplet)
On the other hand in Christianity the ONE God is Triune..God in THREE Persons...(Not THREE gods)...
The Trinity consists of
God the Father, who has always been God and never had a father
God the Word, the Son, Jesus, the Lamb
God the Holy Ghost (or Holy Spirit) also God ..the Comfort, the Guide, teacher, sent by God the Father..
Christians believe that the LORD Jesus Christ always existed as God, with God from the beginning as the Word..
While Christians believe in the miracle of the conception of Jesus, and His mother the Virgin Mary, mormons believe that one of the mormon gods came down and had physical sex with Mary..
Joseph Smith was an ignorant man who rejected the words of thwe Christian Bible and made up his own story about the conception of Jesus Brigham Young and others added to the myth down to Bruse McConkle and beyond
Next lets address your statement that “He died for our sins”
This is a Christian belief and not a Mormon one
Mormons reject the Biblical account of the death of the LORD Jesus Christ on the Cross
and instead claim the fistion that the mormon jesus “atoned” for the mormons bt sweating blood in the Garden of Gethsemenee..the later death of the mormon jesus had nothing to do with salvation but was just a vehicle through which he could come back to life
While the Mormlons believe Hinckley who claimed that the Mormon jesus was a “victim”
Ther Christian Bible has the account of the LORD Jesus Christ saying berfore he was arrested “I lay down my life for my friends” meaning he volunteered to deie for us..
The real death of the LORD Jesus Christ was this way
He shed His Blood on the Cross and died on the Cross in our place to take on Himself the penalty for our sins
We are all born into sin... we cannot escare it.. we are all doomed to die spirtually and to be cut off forever from God in Hell..
(Mormins dont believe in hell but the LORD Jesus Christ talked about hell more than he spoke of Heaven)
The Word of god came into the world with one purpose in mind...to die on the Cross in our place...
and so He did...
While the Word of God always existed, mormons reject this fact and claim that their mormon jesus began as a man when he was born in jerusalem
The Christian LORD Jesus Christ was born in bethlehem
Since the Mormons reject the Christian Bible as the infallible Word of God, they have been free to distort the diety and miracle of the LORD Jeszus Christ
Mormonism is based on what can be experienced or known
Christianity is based on faith
Faith is the confidence that what we hope for will actually happen; it gives us assurance about things we cannot see...And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to Him must believe that He exists and that He rewards those who earnestly seek Him. Hebrews 11:1, 6
No Luna the mormon jesus you believe in is not the same LORD Jesus Christ I believe in..
Mormonism is not Christianity
Interesting. OK, so what does this have to do with Romney as a candidate for POTUS or being the POTUS?
Thanks so much, Tennessee Nana, for your reply. I really appreciate it. I understand better now. I've been a Mormon my whole life, which is over 35 years. And even though I know that Mormons and Christians will NEVER agree on much, I think that we can at least agree that God loves each one of us.
Hope you have a wonderful day! :)
I was answering another FReeper’s question...guess you missed that part. That said, the discernment of someone who believes what Romney and Huntsman do is quite doubtful in someone who wants to be POTUS...we don’t need another religious ideologue like Obama in the White House.
I think that we can at least agree that God loves each one of us.
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Do you have a Bible scripture on that statement ???
God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whomsoever believes in Him shall not perish but have ever lasting life John 3:16
In other words its not enough to think you know “God loves each one of us.”
You also have to believe in the LORD Jesus Christ as savior
Not Joseph Smith as Savior...Joseph Smith has nothing to do with salvation...Joseph Smith will npot be judging anyone or waiting at the gates of heaven deciding who gets in and collecting tickets and passes
Only the LORD Jesus Christ will be the Judge to decide that...
Only the LORD Jesus Christ who is God is Worthy to be praised
You can worship Joseph Smith and sing praise to the man all the says of your life but he cant help you...
hes in the Hell that he claimed didnt exist
You caqn be necro baptised till the all the mormon youth groupos get pnumonia
But you wont be coming out of Hell if that was your 1st stop after death
Dead dunking doesnt save you
There are no lists of all the people whpo ever lived
If that worked, one dunk for everyone would have been accomplished years ago..
Only the death on the Cross of the LORD Jesus Christ saves anyone..
Joseph Smith deceived a lot of people with his lies and false prophecies
Mormon temples cant save anyone...
Payingt 10% of your income and receiving a temple recommend, truly earned or not wont help you..
You said it yourself although you dont believe it
(or you would not be a mormon and do all those works of the flesh)
“only through Him can we be saved.”
Him being the LORD Jesus Christ of the Christian Bible
The very Bible that Mormons dont believe claiming it is not “translatede correctly”
Mormonism is not Christianity
My prayer and hope for you is that you will come to know the LORD Jesus Christ sometime before you die
After you die it will be too late...
Luna,
You are to be commended for asking what may be the most important question (depending on your response to this answer) in your time on this earth.
I recommend you carefully consider the following five issues (there are many more, but start with these) that Christians have with Mormonism:
FIRST: MORMONISM REJECTS MANY ESSENTIAL CHRISTIAN DOCTRINES
I suggest you check out the article: We're Christians just like you! wherein the author presents a number of well-annotated examples.
If necessary, dozens of additional articles and illustrations can be found on this WEBSITE alone.
SECOND: MORMONISM ADDS MANY NEW DOCTRINES WHICH FLAGRANTLY CONTRADICT CHRISTIAN BELIEFS
NO Catholic, Protestant or Jewish scholar ever taught that:
THIRD: THE MORMON CHURCH UNEQUIVOCALLY CONDEMNS CHRISTIANS AND CHRISTIANITY
FOURTH: THE MORMON CHURCH ITSELF REJECTS CHRISTIANITY
Beginning with Joseph Smith, Mormon prophets have steadfastly proclaimed all Christian denominations were in a state of apostasy.
This raises an interesting question. A heretic is someone who rejects one or more doctrines of religion, but an apostate is someone who has rejected the religion entirely. How is it, exactly, that you can be something you have completely dismissed? How does that work?
FIFTH: MORMON SCRIPTURE IS DEMONSTRABLY FALSE - CHRISTIAN SCRIPTURE HAS WITHSTOOD THE TEST OF TIME
People have questioned the Bible since its last words were recorded about 2,000 years ago. As far as I can tell, every challenge has been easily refuted. The Bible is a rock upon which you can base your faith.
In contrast, take a close look at Mormon Scripture. There, you will find:
These examples raise an interesting question: How can anyone possibly claim that Mormon scripture is infallible when, in fact, it impugns itself?
As you can see, Mormonism is not only NOT Christian, it is obviously NOT TRUE.
By now, you know what you have probably suspected for a long time, that you cannot rely on a "good feeling" in your bosom for an answer to any question that involves "time and all eternity".
Based on the nature of your question, it seems safe to assume that you know that you need to turn to the real Jesus, the one revealed nowhere but in the Holy Bible, if you want to experience the love, joy, and relief that only He can provide.
Please feel free to contact me anonymously and privately by Freepmail any time if you would like some practical suggestions on the best way to proceed from here.
s/ Zak
I know that Mormons and Christians will NEVER agree on much,
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Yes Mormonism and Christianity do not agree
Christianity and mormonism is like Christianity and islam
Theyy are not alike
They are two different religions
While Christians believe that the LORD Jesus Christ who is God is Lord and Savior
Mormons have to add a mere man, Joseph Smith and “sustain” him as their “prophet”
This is not scriptural according to the Christian Bible
Mormonism is not Christianity
as long as we agree that the two religions are not compatable
Excellent summary, Zak.
“But could you please explain to me why Mormons aren’t considered Christians? I believe in Jesus Christ, that He is the Son of God, that He died for our sins, He was resurrected, and only through Him can we be saved.”
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Great question. Either you have not learned what your religion
teaches, or you are pretending you don’t understand.
Either way, you asked, so here is a summary of why MormonISM is not Christian...
OK, let’s take a look at the REAL MORMON HERESY:
Mormon Cult Deception Method:
1. Convince you of their sincerity
2. Trick you into expressing faith first in the Book of Mormon by praying and asking for a sign (this takes you off the objective ground of Biblical truth and puts you into subjective ground of feelings)
3. Convince you that the Bible has errors in its translation
4. Trick you into expressing faith in the prophet Joseph Smith
5. Trick you into expressing faith in the Restoration of the “Gospel” (see Galatians Chapter one)
6. Get you all the way into the baptismal font...
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7. ONLY THEN... you will learn the true DEVIANT doctrines of
Mormonism. At this point, it is too late! You only have
feelings as a basis of truth! You will believe anything.
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Such as the following “truths” taught in mormonism ...
The 4 Mormon Earth gods:
... The mormon “Heavenly Father” used to be a man, but became God.
... The Jesus of mormonism was a created spirit being who became one of the three mormon earth gods
... The mormonic Holy Spirit is also a created spirit being. He doesn’t have a body because he is on probation! Yes, he was naughty. He sinned.
... In short, the mormon earth gods are created spirit beings. But there is more...
The FOURTH Mormon Earth God!
...The Mormon Heavenly Mother God!
Yes, believe it or not, it turns out there is a mormonic “Mother God!”
... SHE and the father god have sex
... SHE is eternally pregnant
... SHE pops out spirit children who will some day get a human body on earth
... SHE is probably not alone! Mormons still believe and teach eternal polygamy.
The Mormonic Pantheon of gods:
... There are BILLIONS or TRILLIONS of mormon gods on other planets.
Hindus have approximately 350 million gods. They are
pikers compared to mormons!
How do they get so many gods? They manufacture more all the
time:
... Any mormon male can be a God with his own planet, mother goddesses, and spirit kids to worship him.
... Becoming a mormon god means lots of works to attain the god-level. This is why you see mormons working so hard. Now you know why.
... Speaking of levels, heaven has three levels.
... All the trillions of gods in the mormon pantheon get together regularly over spring break in Kolob Beach to “counsel together”
What will your life be like as a mormon?
... you have to give 10%?
... your bishop is there to ask if you gave your FULL tithe
... your bishop is also there to ask many probing, personal, embarrassing questions
... Did we mention you will
... you will have to complete Masonic Temple rituals that involve strangers touching your private parts
... You will have to wear magic underwear 24/7/365
Once inside the Morg, you have to accept it ALL to move up the chain towards Godhood.
THAT is but the tip of the iceberg of why MormonISM is not Christian. None of
it is Biblical.
best,
ampu
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