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To: CynicalBear; GiovannaNicoletta; OKSooner

“It was saved by grace and grace alone”

How do we access this grace that God gives? By election (God gives grace to some and denies it to others), or by faith (responding to God by believing)?

Of COURSE it is God’s grace that saves us, but is it by grace through election, or grace through faith?


82 posted on 08/27/2011 6:31:55 PM PDT by Mr Rogers ("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")
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Thank you. That’s the gist of my question... The Lutherans I know seem to imply one over the other, though I’d like to get an explanation here - FR is always a better source of information than some relation by marriage.


92 posted on 08/27/2011 7:05:14 PM PDT by OKSooner (When someone tells you who they are, believe them.)
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To: Mr Rogers; GiovannaNicoletta; OKSooner
>> Of COURSE it is God’s grace that saves us, but is it by grace through election, or grace through faith?<<

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Even faith is a gift from God. “not of yourselves”

Try to take credit for yourself if you will.

93 posted on 08/27/2011 7:09:19 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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