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To: Mr Rogers; GiovannaNicoletta; OKSooner
>> Of COURSE it is God’s grace that saves us, but is it by grace through election, or grace through faith?<<

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Even faith is a gift from God. “not of yourselves”

Try to take credit for yourself if you will.

93 posted on 08/27/2011 7:09:19 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear; GiovannaNicoletta; OKSooner; aruanan

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Even faith is a gift from God. “not of yourselves”

Try to take credit for yourself if you will.


In the English, one can become confused. In the Greek, it is clear: gift refers to salvation and cannot refer to faith (different genders).

“And that (kai touto).
Neuter, not feminine tauth, and so refers not to pistiv [faith] (feminine) or to xariv [grace] (feminine also), but to the act of being saved by grace conditioned on faith on our part. Paul shows that salvation does not have its source (ex umwn, out of you) in men, but from God. Besides, it is God’s gift (dwron) and not the result of our work.”

http://www.studylight.org/com/rwp/view.cgi?book=eph&chapter=002&verse=008

So I don’t lose the formatting, I’ll quote a post from aruanan in a separate post in a minute.


100 posted on 08/27/2011 7:56:12 PM PDT by Mr Rogers ("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")
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