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U.S. Presbyterian Church Ordains First Gay Minister
Fox News ^ | October 8, 2011

Posted on 10/09/2011 5:55:23 AM PDT by NYer

MILWAUKEE –  A man who left his Presbyterian ministry in California more than 20 years ago after telling his congregation that he is gay was welcomed back into the church leadership on Saturday as its first openly gay ordained minister.

In a quavering voice ripe with emotion, 56-year-old Scott Anderson told the hundreds of friends and backers who packed Covenant Presbyterian Church in Madison, Wisconsin for his ordination ceremony that he never thought the day would come.

"To the thousands of Presbyterians who have worked and prayed for almost 40 years for this day, I give thanks," Anderson said. "And I give thanks for those who disagree with what we're doing today yet who know that we are one in Jesus Christ."

When he was presented to the crowd, audience members gave him a thunderous standing ovation and began roaring with cheers.

"That was very atypical of Presbyterians," Doug Poland, an elder at Covenant Presbyterian Church, told the Wisconsin State Journal. "Usually our hands are in our laps."

Anderson was closeted when he served as a minister in Sacramento, Calif., from 1983 until 1990. When a couple threatened to reveal his sexual orientation, he came out to his congregation and resigned because the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) barred homosexuals from serving as ministers.

But things changed last year when the church's national assembly voted to remove the ban, clearing the way for Anderson's ordination.

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TOPICS: Current Events; Mainline Protestant; Ministry/Outreach
KEYWORDS: homosexualagenda; lesbyterian; lesbyterianism; paganchurchusa; pcusa; presbyterian

1 posted on 10/09/2011 5:55:25 AM PDT by NYer
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To: wagglebee; little jeremiah

Ping!


2 posted on 10/09/2011 5:56:24 AM PDT by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: NYer

er umm, he may be the FIRST advertisedly gay minister ordained, but I guarantee he is not ‘the first”

LOL! Our small town presby minister was busted for soliciting gay sex over 50 years ago


3 posted on 10/09/2011 5:57:34 AM PDT by silverleaf (Common sense is not so common - Voltaire)
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To: NYer

Just another play in the communist handbook.
Destroy everything.
Replace it with the State.

Boycott them, folks.
Money is all they respect, not God’s Word.


4 posted on 10/09/2011 5:57:55 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: NYer

Another faux “church”. Caving in to the sodomites and their gross perversion. I think someday this “church” is going to regret this.


5 posted on 10/09/2011 5:59:32 AM PDT by madmaximus (Liberaltarians=junkies,perverts,anti-semites,anti-military,cultural marxists without all the taxes)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

Exactly. Whatever they can’t destroy, they will infiltrate. Whatever they can’t infiltrate, they will destroy.


6 posted on 10/09/2011 6:00:53 AM PDT by madmaximus (Liberaltarians=junkies,perverts,anti-semites,anti-military,cultural marxists without all the taxes)
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To: NYer

Sad. This person’s selfish ambition in opposition to God’s word. Where God builds a church, Satan builds a chapel.


7 posted on 10/09/2011 6:16:32 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: NYer

“To the thousands of Presbyterians who have worked and prayed for almost 40 years for this day, I give thanks,”

I dunno - I thought if they actually prayed about this then they might have heard something contrary to their thinking or got stoney silence as you do when you know you are asking for the wrong thing. I would be surprised if anybody actually really prayed about this at all - they just force it through and then call it God’s Will.

Mel


8 posted on 10/09/2011 6:29:40 AM PDT by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong....)
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To: NYer

IMHO, God is not pleased.


9 posted on 10/09/2011 6:30:16 AM PDT by upchuck (Rerun: Think you know hardship? Wait till the dollar is no longer the world's reserve currency.)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe
Flee the Presbyterian Church USA because it is promoting Adultery and Fornication.

Consider the Presbyterian Church of America because it has gone the exact opposite of that way (and followed the Lord and His word)>

The PCA, says Marriage is between one man and one woman and that sexuality is only ordained under that covenant.

Consider the PCA

10 posted on 10/09/2011 7:07:36 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: sr4402
Rev 17:1 Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and talked with me, saying to me, "Come, I will show you the judgment of the great harlot who sits on many waters,
Rev 17:2 with whom the kings of the earth committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth were made drunk with the wine of her fornication."
Rev 17:3 So he carried me away in the Spirit into the wilderness. And I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast which was full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
Rev 17:4 The woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls, having in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the filthiness of her fornication.
Rev 17:5 And on her forehead a name was written: MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

Like many other churches, this church has decided to join the ranks of harlots. Who would think that members of a church would stand and give a thunderous standing O to a supposed minister of God who professes, embraces and is unrepentant of sin?

11 posted on 10/09/2011 7:15:55 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: NYer

This is why many people are not attending the Presbyterian Church anymore.


12 posted on 10/09/2011 7:33:57 AM PDT by FreedBird
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To: FreedBird

They are no longer a Christian church


13 posted on 10/09/2011 7:55:40 AM PDT by OldGoatCPO
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To: NYer

Isn’t this so called ‘church’ involved in divesting from Israel?


14 posted on 10/09/2011 7:55:50 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: sr4402

I tried that and found the church I went to pretty liberal as well. I was doubly surprised because I went expecting to find what you described. Instead, I found a bunch of Obama supporters who even had the ex-(disgraced) Mayor of Philadelphia, Wilson Good take the altar to beg for money for one of his pet organizations. And spending way too much time trying to guilt the congregation to hand over their earnings, even going so far as to equate them with stupid, greedy monkeys if they didn’t.

I assume it was the particular church I tried. But membership in any organization does not guarantee adherence to the rules of that organization. That’s why I tend to avoid those churches that identify with a big parent organization and prefer those that focus on the locality and the needs-at-hand, both universal and local.


15 posted on 10/09/2011 8:02:46 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

Was the PCA Church of which you speak in Philly? I’m surprised....I thought the PCA Church was a REALLY, really conservative one.


16 posted on 10/09/2011 8:13:12 AM PDT by goodnesswins (My Kid/Grandkids are NOT your ATM, liberals! (Sarah Palin))
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To: NYer
It is interesting that a giant fire ball exploded over the Madison area not long ago. The next one could explode on the Madison area. (Sodom & Gomorrah)
17 posted on 10/09/2011 8:18:54 AM PDT by stars & stripes forever ( Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.)
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To: madmaximus

I think the Episcopalian Church is already feeling the effect from their descision for gay clergy. Strife, splits, and loosing membership. The Prsybyterians USA will soon follow. In fact it has already started. Prysbyterian Church America, a split, is already one of the fastest growing chuches in the country. http://www.prysbyterianamerica.org


18 posted on 10/09/2011 8:33:36 AM PDT by Vinylly
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To: FreedBird
I've said it before on here and I will say it again......I didn't leave the Prebyterian "Church," the Presbyterian "Church" left God.

Revelations 3:15-22

19 posted on 10/09/2011 8:36:15 AM PDT by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy Saints surrounded)
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To: Alex Murphy; Natural Law; MarkBsnr

Congratulations to your Presbys, Alex!


20 posted on 10/09/2011 8:55:13 AM PDT by Cronos (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2787101/posts?page=58#58)
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To: sr4402

The problem is — for how long? how long before a vote is held to change towards this? There were recent moves to have deaconesses. That bloc persistently tries to push a vote. Eventually they will get that, then pastoresses and finally gay married pastors


21 posted on 10/09/2011 9:08:37 AM PDT by Cronos (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2787101/posts?page=58#58)
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To: NYer

This is a reason it will be hard for a Republican to win WI in 2012 when the liberals are energized and out in force, unlike in 2010.


22 posted on 10/09/2011 9:56:02 AM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: NYer

Just wait until they make it mandatory. After all, how can one properly minister to gays if one is not using the glory hole at the local bathhouse on a regular basis?


23 posted on 10/09/2011 11:02:14 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: NYer; Chode; All

From another site

“Anderson chose the Rev. Mark Achtemeier of Dubuque, Iowa, to deliver the sermon Saturday. Achtemeier used to be one of the most vocal opponents of gay ordination, but he announced a complete turnaround after friendships with gay Christians prompted him to re-evaluate scriptural teachings about homosexuality.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44831210/ns/us_news/

“re-evaluate scriptural teachings about homosexuality”

Tell me they just took a leave of absence of from their senses? Tell me they are not trying to re-write or re-define the Bible? Because that is what it sounds like to me!!


24 posted on 10/09/2011 11:13:16 AM PDT by Morgana ("Since using your shampoo my hair has come alive!" ----Medusa)
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To: MarkBsnr

Mark that was crude, but so to the point!!!

People are not thinking that is the trouble.


25 posted on 10/09/2011 11:15:14 AM PDT by Morgana ("Since using your shampoo my hair has come alive!" ----Medusa)
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To: goodnesswins

Suburbs of Philly.


26 posted on 10/09/2011 11:20:13 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: Morgana
Mark that was crude, but so to the point!!! People are not thinking that is the trouble.

This is an emotional decision, not a rational or logical one. Whoever has a homosexual relative or friend who at least appears to be a contibuting member of society may present the argument that since they are a worthwhile human being, then they should not only have their particular proclivities allowed, they should also be subsidized by the government in the interests of 'equality' and 'fairness' and 'opportunity'.

Back to the glory hole and to the airport bathroom stalls...

27 posted on 10/09/2011 11:41:11 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Cronos
The problem is — for how long?

Yes, that is the problem for any church under attack by the Enemy. For that is exactly what you are describing.

Without the Lord's Grace and without constantly going back to the Holy Scriptures and Sound Doctrine any church or denomination can fall.

That is why, I wrote to you earlier about how we broke off PC USA and returned to the Scriptures and the Westminster Catechism of which it is based upon.

We broke away because not only was the Authority, Inerrancy and the Plenary nature of Scripture thrown away, but also it's tithing support for Abortion and Communist Rebels.

We never took up women Elders as our Church Order is formed from the Scripture. Therefore we don't have the issue of Homosexual in the ministry.

We counsel those who have given themselves over to the homosexual lifestyle to repent and return to the Lord, but do not condone the practice of habitual sin as in the Liberal Churches.

If one believes in the Absolute Sovereignty of God in Everything including Salvation, inerrancy and absolute authority of the Holy Scriptures - we are it.

Flee the Liberal houses Oh Israel and return to the Lord.

We welcome all who wish to Worship the Lord Jesus Christ, in Spirit and in Truth and all who wish to know God - three persons in One.

28 posted on 10/09/2011 3:14:33 PM PDT by sr4402
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

Doesn’t sound like any PCA church I know of. What is it’s name so I can look it up on the web?


29 posted on 10/09/2011 3:57:29 PM PDT by sr4402
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To: MarkBsnr

“Back to the glory hole and to the airport bathroom stalls... “

and every rest area along the interstate.

Yea Mark I know exactly what you mean. What if they saw this pastor at the Folsem street fair? Would they still want him as pastor then? Things that make you go hhmmmmmm.


30 posted on 10/09/2011 4:08:50 PM PDT by Morgana ("Since using your shampoo my hair has come alive!" ----Medusa)
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To: sr4402
We never took up women Elders as our Church Order is formed from the Scripture. Therefore we don't have the issue of Homosexual in the ministry.

Exactly -- while I do believe that many women are much more devout and dedicated to God than men, priestesses/pastoresses seem by proof of observation (observing various denominations) to ultimately lead to gay married pastors.

31 posted on 10/09/2011 8:22:06 PM PDT by Cronos (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2787101/posts?page=58#58)
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To: Cronos
Exactly -- while I do believe that many women are much more devout and dedicated to God than men, priestesses/pastoresses seem by proof of observation (observing various denominations) to ultimately lead to gay married pastors.

Right, The issue goes back to obedience to the Scripture where the Apostle Paul says that in the church "I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent." 1 Timothy 2:12

As far as Homosexuality goes, the Apostle Paul is explicit: "Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality , nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God... 1 Cor 6:9-10

In other words, practicing Homosexuals will not go to Heaven and are lumped with Idolaters, the Greedy, and revilers (of God). This is repeated in 1 Timothy 1:10. So the new Testament is very clear on this matter.

In the Old Testament: "Do not practice homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman. It is a detestable sin." Leviticus 18:22 Having any sin not paid by the Lord Jesus Christ's blood will prevent one from going to heaven. Not even the smallest one is permitted. But in the practice of Homosexuality, it is presented as Detestable to God and as one of some of the foulest sins ushering one into Destruction.

The Good News, is that anyone who repents (turns truly away) of their sins and calls on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ (by Faith) will be Saved from Eternal Destruction and given a Life and Life Abundantly (better than any bottle, drug, man or woman, etc.).

So it is utterly ridiculous to take any practicing homosexual into the church let alone to put them in a position of authority. Such the Liberal/Progressive churches have done and sealed the date of their end.

32 posted on 10/10/2011 6:54:17 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: MarkBsnr
subsidized by the government in the interests of 'equality' and 'fairness' and 'opportunity'

Let me get this straight, one citizen should get preferences and subsidies over another citizen? Or one class of citizens permanently over another?

Is that Right. How is that "Equality'? How is that 'Fair'?

How about a persons business or a community church, do they have any say in the matter of who they employ? Say a Church that has a ministry of Deliverance from Homosexuality? Should they be forced to hire those who promote it?

Or a Business that sells Books promoting Holy Matrimony? Should they be FORCED to hire one promoting homosexuality from the cash register where their books are sold?

Funny how when one class or person is allowed privileges in a free society that it is no longer free; and free speech is no longer permitted.

Brave new World, Huh?

33 posted on 10/10/2011 7:04:06 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: sr4402

Yes, but we must also not just say “oh, they did that” but must be vigilant and keep watch that we do not let the small steps take us down this same slippery slope


34 posted on 10/10/2011 7:24:44 AM PDT by Cronos (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2787101/posts?page=58#58)
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To: sr4402
Let me get this straight, one citizen should get preferences and subsidies over another citizen? Or one class of citizens permanently over another?

With our brave new government, it is already happening. Look at the idiot concept of 'hate crime', for instance. Hate crime? How many crimes are done out of love?

How many deviant groups are subsidized by the government right now? How many members of them are being subsidized (since in the pursuit of their own interests, they don't have time for things like a job)?

35 posted on 10/10/2011 9:57:53 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: NYer; lightman; SmithL
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36 posted on 10/14/2011 5:27:37 AM PDT by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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