Posted on 12/14/2011 11:10:27 AM PST by NYer
I’m pretty much in agreement with you, here. I think I’d be pleased to learn it was genuine but don’t put any store in relics, so if it were not genuine my faith would not be affected one way or the other.
Now, there my be many who call themselves Christians and who do worship money, prestige, etc......but that’s another topic.
One. I am not "confused." I suggest you read some on the topic. There are several "religions" or "faiths" that "call themselves" Christians that actually have their idols in their various "churches" and worship them. There are plenty out there today using the title of "Christian" and are not true Christians. Christ said there would be these types and there are.
2. Yes, worship of money, people, stuff, IS idol worship. You might not agree and that is YOUR opinion. But, it is idol worship regardless of what you think. And that is not just my opinion, it is an opinion given that I happen to completely agree with.
Yours is the only logical response.
The most interesting aspects are: not formed by contact between the body and the shroud, no sign of putrefaction, no image formed beneath blood, therefore, blood deposited first, no sign in blood stains of movement after wrapping, a 200nm thick image layer, and a total required laser energy of 34,000 billion watts to imprint an image of that size at a single time using a laser.
Then maybe Satan would do a better job of distraction by not bothering with an object related to the Resurrection of the Lord.
I wouldn’t be too concerned about other peoples faiths.
Just be concerned for your own.
Depends on how one defines ‘worship” doesn’t it.. do you kneel down to it? Does it have spiritual value “..Do you pray before it? Do you light candles in front of it? ..All honors that belong solely to God??
The Jews believed the golden calf represented God when they celebrated it ...
Golden calves are pretty common in rome today
Geez. Who’s worshipping? A little sensitive there, are we? It’s is a fascinating artifact, just as evidence that proved the existence of David and Solomon was exciting. I suppose if it were proven not to be the burial shroud, those with VERY WEAK faith might falter, but evidence is pointing to LIGHT being the source of the image, so I doubt it will ever be proven a forgery — or the burial cloth of Christ. I suppose those with VERY WEAK faith need to draw closer to Christ, and not concern themselves with artifacts.
1. Actually, it’s quite old.
2. Nobody worships it.
3. Satan’s "job" is not to persuade 21st people to seriously consider the evidence of the death and Resurrection of a certain executed 1st century Galilean Jew.
Seriously. You must have worked so hard to develop this habit of misconstruing things so quickly and so comprehensively.
What the report may prove is that the image is not a “fake”, not something manufactured to look like the image it is.
What the report cannot identify or confirm is “whose” image is represented in the shroud.
THAT will remain a mystery as big as how the image came to be.
“Depends on how one defines ‘worship” doesn’t it.. do you kneel down to it? Does it have spiritual value “..Do you pray before it? Do you light candles in front of it? ..All honors that belong solely to God??”
None of the above. I enjoy reading about it, as obviously many others do. Maybe you should avoid shroud threads if they offend you religiously.
I believe the shroud is real.
Perhaps this retired army person doesn't know his Old Testament, the source of relicquery.
Permanent grump.
There was a microscopic bit of pollen from the 1st century A.D. found in the cloth of the Shroud. THAT definitively dates it to that time.
Why don't we ask the Bible... you do go by Sola Scriptura, don't you?
James 2:24 (KJV) Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
If it was real, we would know that it was real...there wouldn’t be any doubt. And, if this were real, wouldn’t you think that it would be more pronounced?
If it was real, we would know that it was real...there wouldn’t be any doubt. And, if this was real, wouldn’t you think that it would be more pronounced?
Hahaha, ya got me. I haven't a CLUE as to what in the WORLD you are talking about. It sounds like DOUBLE-TALK?
Do you sell real estate? :o)
Ditto as to above.
“There are several “religions” or “faiths” that “call themselves” Christians that actually have their idols in their various “churches” and worship them.”
WOW! I’ve never seen such a Christian church. Sounds very weird....you MUST be mistaken.
No, I was speaking of the authentic Christian Church. I know of NO such Christian who worships idols.
“Yes, worship of money, people, stuff, IS idol worship. You might not agree and that is YOUR opinion.”
Oh, I agree that this is idol worship. It is always wrong to place THINGS above God.
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