Posted on 12/22/2011 1:01:18 PM PST by Cronos
Is this some false indication that the US is this state? After all from 1945 for decades the US was the sole political, economic etc. power and spread it's global political system (Capitalism-democracy) around the world
Err... that's non-existent. and the EU started with 7 states, not 10 and grew to 12 before taking in the former Eastern bloc nations
oh and the eurozone started off with 12 countries, not 10.
So, yeah, the EU is not this
Also, the EU in it’s pre-amble disavows any religion... so no apostate, forget about ecumenical religion.
Militarily they're a joke with the British navy now reduced to 1790s numbers and their airforce reduced too and their army reduced to pitiful numbers. Ditto for the rest of the continent.
Revelation chapter 11. The chapter begins with John being told to measure the temple (v. 1) and this temple is in “”the holy city”” (v.2). These are clear references to Jerusalem. This also helps in dating the book before the destruction of AD 70, when the temple was destroyed. Imagine John being told to measure something which his 1st century readers all understood was no longer in existence!
Chapter 11 continues with the story of the two witnesses of God, and their deaths at the hand of the beast, after which John records, “”And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which is mystically called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified”” (v. 8). First, in both Deuteronomy (32:28-33) and in Isaiah (1:10), God refers to the Jewish people, and Jerusalem in particular, as Sodom, and Ezekiel 23 links Israel to her harlotries in Egypt. So, there is precedent for John’s use of these names to describe what had once been the city of God. But if there is any doubt where this evil takes place, John clears it up with his reference to the city “”where also their Lord was crucified.”” Jesus was not crucified in Rome, or in Berlin, or in Moscow, or in Washington, D.C. Our Lord was crucified in Jerusalem, and this is the city God has prepared for destruction in the book of Revelation
So? If Paul can prophecy of a future Man of Lawlessness he could point out it was one of the living Julian heirs.
Heh! Maybe so, but GreyFriar's mention of "1st Century" was in reference to a small group called "First Century Christianity" that met at our church from 1989 to 2006. We were trying to re-discover what a meeting of Christians was like before all the church councils and doctrines and dogmas and such that originated after AD 100. Among many other topics, we discussed John's Revelation and what it would mean to us if we had just received a copy of it.
oh, I thought you guys were joking around “didn’t we discuss this before, in the 1st century”!
he could, if he saw it clearly enough or if he didn't. Or he could be referring to someone different from Apocalypse
your referred website, "raptureready" keeps making more and more bloopers
do read the actual lyrics which are
| 32 And the Cherub stands before God. 33 You bow down, millions? 34 Can you sense the Creator, world? 35 Seek him above the starry canopy. 36 Above the stars He must dwell. .. 52 It leads the sufferer on. 53 Atop faith's lofty summit ...72 God judges as we judged. ..81 He whom star clusters adore, 82 He whom the Seraphs' hymn praises, |
So, quite frankly, Giovanna, stop reading that website -- it seems to make up quite a lot.
Lest's ask his neighbor.
I guess it depends on where you would have been. The Syrian Christians (who i'm guessing were a large chunk of the Christian world flat out rejected it. Even today the Eastern Orthodox do not read Revelation in the Divine Liturgy. in fact many of the Early Christians rejected it again as it seemed too closely tied to Gnostics and Montanists
Ireneus and Origen did not include it in their canons
Clement of Alexandria in 200 also did not include it as canon.
So, if in 100 you received this book, most like you would have rejected it.
“The doctrine of Christendom rejects Torah.”
Maybe your doctrine does.
Prepositions matter: “at” not “in the.” ;)
Martin Luther had strong words about it. I’d like to know the history of Protestants admitting it to their canon, let alone turn it into the center of their religion, as is the case with the Dispensationalists and the Pentecostals. William Tyndale similarly questioned its validity.
Martin Luther’s Preface to the Revelation of St. John (1522)
About this Book of the Revelation of John, I leave everyone free to hold his own opinions. I would not have anyone bound to my opinion or judgment. I say what I feel. I miss more than one thing in this book, and it makes me consider it to be neither apostolic nor prophetic.
First and foremost, the apostles do not deal with visions, but prophesy in clear and plain words, as do Peter and Paul, and Christ in the gospel. For it befits the apostolic office to speak clearly of Christ and his deeds, without images and visions. Moreover there is no prophet in the Old Testament, to say nothing of the New, who deals so exclusively with visions and images. For myself, I think it approximates the Fourth Book of Esdras; I can in no way detect that the Holy Spirit produced it.
Moreover he seems to me to be going much too far when he commends his own book so highly [Revelation 22]—indeed, more than any of the other sacred books do, though they are much more important—and threatens that if anyone takes away anything from it, God will take away from him, etc. Again, they are supposed to be blessed who keep what is written in this book; and yet no one knows what that is, to say nothing of keeping it. This is just the same as if we did not have the book at all. And there are many far better books available for us to keep.
Many of the fathers also rejected this book a long time ago; although St. Jerome, to be sure, refers to it in exalted terms and says that it is above all praise and that there are as many mysteries in it as words. Still, Jerome cannot prove this at all, and his praise at numerous places is too generous.
Finally, let everyone think of it as his own spirit leads him. My spirit cannot accommodate itself to this book. For me this is reason enough not to think highly of it: Christ is neither taught nor known in it. But to teach Christ, this is the thing which an apostle is bound above all else to do; as Christ says in Acts 1[:8], “You shall be my witnesses.” Therefore I stick to the books which present Christ to me clearly and purely.
The 1522 “Preface to the Revelation of St. John” in Luther’s translation of the New Testament. Pages 398-399 in Luther’s Works Volume 35: Word and Sacrament I (ed. E. Theodore Bachmann; Philadelphia: Fortress, 1960).
“in fact, even if it was written after 95 AD, it still talks about Nero’s fall and the time up to Titus Flavius Caesar Domitianus Augustus”
Show me the verse where those people are named.
It is not “what is acceptable” in any place, it is all about “what is acceptable in the eyes of YHVH”. It is those that cling to the instructions of YHVH that hasatan always comes after. YHVH tells us to neither turn to the left or to the right, but to keep our steps going straight towards him. Thus the inference that any given society in a any particular place has anything to do with the equation is superficial and not of our Creator.
1Ma 2:50 Wherefore O my sonnes, be ye feruent in the lawe, and ieoparde your liues for the testament of the fathers.
1Ma 2:51 Call to remembraunce what actes our fathers dyd in their time, so shall ye receaue great honour and an euerlasting name.
1Ma 2:52 Remember Abraham: was not he founde faythful in temptation, & it was reckened vnto him for righteousnesse?
1Ma 2:53 Ioseph in time of his trouble kept the commaundement, & was made a Lorde of Egypt.
1Ma 2:54 Phinehes our father was so feruent for the honour of God, that he obtayned the couenaunt of an euerlasting priesthood.
1Ma 2:55 Iosuah for fufilling the word of God, was made the captayne of Israel.
1Ma 2:56 Caleb bare recorde before the congregation, and receaued an heritage.
1Ma 2:57 Dauid also in his mercifull kindnesse, obtayned the throne of an euerlasting kingdome.
1Ma 2:58 Elias being ielous and feruent in the law, was taken vp into heauen.
1Ma 2:59 Ananias, Azarias, and Misael remayned stedfast in faith, and were deliuered out of the fire.
1Ma 2:60 In like maner Daniel beyng vngiltie, was saued from the mouth of the lions.
1Ma 2:61 And thus ye may consider throughout all ages sence the worlde began, that whosouer put their trust in God, were not ouercome.
1Ma 2:62 Feare not ye then the wordes of an vngodly man, for his glorie is but doung and wormes:
1Ma 2:63 To day is he set vp, and to morowe is he gone: for he is turned into earth, and his memoriall is come to naught.
1Ma 2:64 Wherefore O my sonnes, take good heartes vnto you, and quyte your selues like men in the lawe: for if ye do the thinges that are commaunded you in the lawe of the Lorde your God, ye shall obtayne great honour therin.
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