Posted on 12/22/2011 1:01:18 PM PST by Cronos
I’m sorry you do not understand the difference between salvation and blessing.
you may want to read Matthew 24, you may learn something.
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them and the lives of those who had been beheaded because of the witness they bore to Yeshua and because of the Word of Elohim, and who did not worship the beast, nor his image, and did not receive his mark upon their foreheads or upon their hands. And they lived and reigned with Messiah for a thousand years
Rev 20:5 (and the rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended) this is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and set-apart is the one having part in the first resurrection. The second death possesses no authority over these, but they shall be priests of Elohim and of Messiah, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.
Matthew 25 is about the 2nd resurrection of the Sunday churchers
Maybe I'll do that...What book is Matthew 24 in anyway...
mega dittos!
I'm sorry you have not read Galations 5:2-4
2Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
And 1 Cor 7:18 Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised --> so Paul is saying not to follow the Torah's teaching on circumcision, hence your statement is incorrect.
Good question — because the regular name by which a Roman was called was by his praenomen (family name) and the “tribe name” hence Nero Caesar.
Maybe I’ll do that...What book is Matthew 24 in anyway...
this comment explains all the ignorance of Christianity shown this past year.
Acts 15:20 but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality,from things strangled, and from blood. 21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”
Rom 3:31 Do we then nullify the Torah through the belief? Let it not be! On the contrary, we establish the Torah.
1st of all, one can not get the contet of what a letter is about by starting in middle or the closing of a letter. So what does Paul say at the opening of these 2 letters you cite.
1Cor 1:4 I thank my Elohim always concerning you for the favour of Elohim which was given to you by Messiah 9 Elohim is trustworthy, by whom you were called into the fellowship of His Son, Yeshua Messiah 10 And I appeal to you, brothers, by the Name of Yeshua Messiah, that you all agree, and that there be no divisions among you 13 Has the Messiah been divided? 14 I thank Elohim that I immersed not one of you except Crispus and Gaios, 15 that no one should say that I immersed into my own name 18 For the word of the stake is indeed foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of Elohim
Division amongst the ranks because of the house of Shammai that was going around and telling the new believers in Messiah that they had to be circumcised in the flesh before they could enter back into covenant and be saved from ther penalty of sin which is death.
1Co 3:1 And I, brothers, was not able to speak to you as to spiritual ones but as to fleshly, as to babes in Messiah. 2 I fed you with milk and not with solid food, for until now you were not able to receive it 9 For we are fellow workers of Elohim, you are the field of Elohim, the building of Elohim 16 Do you not know that you are a Dwelling Place of Elohim and that the Spirit of Elohim dwells in you 23 And you belong to Messiah, and Messiah belongs to Elohim 1Co 4:1 Let a man regard us as servants of Messiah and trustees of the secrets of Elohim
2Cor 3:4 And such trust we have toward Elohim, through the Messiah ... 13 and not like Mosheh, who put a veil over his face so that the children of Israel should not look steadily at the end of what was passing away ... But their minds were hardened, for to this day, when the old covenant is being read, that same veil remains, not lifted, because in Messiah it is taken away. But to this day, when Mosheh is being read, a veil lies on their heart. And when one turns to the Master, the veil is taken away.
Gal 1:10 For do I now persuade men, or Elohim? Or do I seek to please men? For if I still pleased men, I should not be a servant of Messiah. 11 And I make known to you, brothers, that the Good News announced by me is not according to man 15 But when it pleased Elohim, who separated me from my mother’s womb and called me by His favour, 16 to reveal His Son in me, that I might bring Him, the Good News, to the gentiles Gal 2:4 But as for the false brothers, sneakingly brought in, who sneaked in to spy out our freedom which we have in Messiah Yeshua in order to enslave us Gal 3:11 And that no one is declared right by Torah before Elohim is clear, for “The righteous shall live by belief.” 12 And the Torah is not of belief, but “The man who does them shall live by them.” 13 Messiah redeemed us from the curse of the Torah, having become a curse for us 14 in order that the blessing of Aḇraham might come upon the nations in Messiah Yeshua
And what is the curse? It is the penalty of death due for sin. For if Torah taught by Messiah Yeshua is gone, then what defines sin?
Gal 3:16 But the promises were spoken to Aḇraham, and to his Seed. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as of many, but as of one, “And to your Seed,” who is Messiah. 17 Now this I say, Torah, that came four hundred and thirty years later, does not annul a covenant previously confirmed by Elohim in Messiah, so as to do away with the promise. 18 For if the inheritance is by Torah, it is no longer by promise, but Elohim gave it to Aḇraham through a promise. 19 Why, then, the Torah? It was added because of transgressions, until the Seed should come to whom the promise was made. And it was ordained through messengers in the hand of a mediator. 20 The Mediator, however, is not of one, but Elohim is one. 21 Is the Torah then against the promises of Elohim? Let it not be! For if a law had been given that was able to make alive, truly righteousness would have been by Torah Gal 4:9 But now after you have known Elohim, or rather are known by Elohim, how do you turn again to the weak and poor elementary matters, to which you wish to be enslaved again?
Circumcision of the heart is of no value if Torah is gone because that would mean the promise of Abraham of also null and void. Vainly the Judaizers preached works of the flesh, but YHVH has always sought works of the heart. The law is still the same, it is the instrument in which it is followed that makes it either a blessing or a curse. Also according to these Words of Paul, it is not Messiah who resides in our hearts, it is Elohim and thus it is Elohim's Torah which He has written on our hearts. Not some new covenant that Christendom teaches Yeshua Messiah brought.
When Messiah Yeshua spoke that he came to 'fulfill' it is the same word he used in Mt 3:15 when he said, “Permit it to be so now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.” Thus when religious doctrine claims that Torah is done away with, in the statement, that doctrine is also claiming that righteousness is done away with. Which as one can clearly see in Galatians, Paul once again rejected any notion that Torah was done away with.
So it is your statement that is incorrect.
The 2 greatest commandents quoted from Torah by Messiah Yeshua. They were not new as the doctrine of Christendom professes and teaches.
John was writing from the view of God, not of man. (Prophetically).
One day (with the Lord) is as a thousand years. Shortly could be 2, or 3 thousand years.
Looking at the scriptural references as a whole, the prophecy that Israel must be regathered only occurred recently (in our generation).
No man shall know the time, but we WILL (if we are listening to God), know the “season”.
THe 1,000 year reign WILL be a reign of Christ’s rule on earth. So nations will not be ruled by despots, tryrants, dictators, or religious posers such as we have now.
And evidently this "we" doesn't read Corinthians either where Paul says Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised. 1 Cor 7:18
So pretty evidently your statement about Paul (above) is incorrect, as is your other statement ON THE CONTRAIRE, WE DO READ FROM THE 1ST CENTURY WRITINGS -- unless Galatians and 1 Corinthians are not in what this "we" read.
well said, our friends are mixing Thessalonians with Revelation's commentary on Nero with Daniel's commentary on Antiochus IV
Revelation was for the situation AT HAND -- Nero's persecution of Christians. it is over and Nero is dead despite the 3 imposters who came 10, 15 and 20+ years after 68 AD
Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? Rom 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. Rom 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness
1Co 9:21 To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.
1Co 10:1 For I do not wish you to be ignorant, brothers, that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea, 1Co 10:2 and all were immersed into Mosheh in the cloud and in the sea, 1Co 10:3 and all ate the same spiritual food, 1Co 10:4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed, and the Rock was Messiah
Gal 3:13 Messiah redeemed us from the curse(penalty of death) of the Torah, having become a curse for us 14 in order that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the nations in Messiah Yeshua
Dt 11:26 Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse; 27 A blessing, if ye obey the commandments of the LORD your God, which I command you this day: 28 And a curse, if ye will not obey the commandments of the LORD your God, but turn aside out of the way which I command you this day
Circumcision...it is not about salvation, it is about blessing that comes from obedience for according to Paul, obedience IS righteousness and we are all to run the race of righteousness for if the works are of the heart, the works are not of us but of the Spirit that resides in our hearts. The same Spirit that circumcised our hearts in order that the sin of the flesh no longer dulls HIS Light of righteouness that HE planted in us when we accepted HIM into our heart. Therefore, the works that come of the heart is God's Light to the world because those works are HIS, not ours. We are HIS servants, created for the sole puprose to serve HIM as HE instructs.
John was writing from the view of God, not of man. (Prophetically).
One day (with the Lord) is as a thousand years. Shortly could be 2, or 3 thousand years.
Looking at the scriptural references as a whole, the prophecy that Israel must be regathered only occurred recently (in our generation).
No man shall know the time, but we WILL (if we are listening to God), know the “season”.
THe 1,000 year reign WILL be a reign of Christ’s rule on earth. So nations will not be ruled by despots, tryrants, dictators, or religious posers such as we have now.
Personally i believe not only the time has a different Prophetic meaning, but also the meaning of the prediction itself.
I can not help but to believe that the thousand year reign of Christ has been fulfilled, and that Satan has been released for a spell.
But i admit i am not looking at technicalities, but just the broader view of it.
Jesus said that his Gospel would be preached to all of the world and then the end would come, we know there were Priests spreading the gospel to most of the world for over a thousand years before 1948.
But only after 1948 has it been possible by radio and tv to spread the gospel to all of the world literally.and that has happened.
It’s obvious that there are as many different convictions in the inerrancy of a particular Biblical interpretation, as there are interpreters. Anyone who ventures a post like this is asking for a verbal haymaker.
That is why I do so appreciate your bravery in commenting.
If Satan has been released for a spell, which period of 1,000 years was he bound (please show me 1,000 years without war on earth)
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