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Note that the book of Apocalypse was not accepted by all in the early centuries. Eusebius wrote that
We have understood that at this time Cerinthus, the author of another heresy, made his appearance. Caius, whose words we quoted above, in the Disputation which is ascribed to him, writes as follows concerning this man:

But Cerinthus also, by means of revelations which he pretends were written by a great apostle, brings before us marvelous things which he falsely claims were shown him by angels; and he says that after the resurrection the kingdom of Christ will be set up on earth, and that the flesh dwelling in Jerusalem will again be subject to desires and pleasures. And being an enemy of the Scriptures of God, he asserts, with the purpose of deceiving men, that there is to be a period of a thousand years for marriage festivals.

And Dionysius, who was bishop of the parish of Alexandria in our day, in the second book of his work On the Promises, where he says some things concerning the Apocalypse of John which he draws from tradition, mentions this same man in the following words:

But (they say that) Cerinthus, who founded the sect which was called, after him, the Cerinthian, desiring reputable authority for his fiction, prefixed the name. For the doctrine which he taught was this: that the kingdom of Christ will be an earthly one.

And as he was himself devoted to the pleasures of the body and altogether sensual in his nature, he dreamed that that kingdom would consist in those things which he desired, namely, in the delights of the belly and of sexual passion, that is to say, in eating and drinking and marrying, and in festivals and sacrifices and the slaying of victims, under the guise of which he thought he could indulge his appetites with a better grace.

These are the words of Dionysius. But Irenæus, in the first book of his work Against Heresies, gives some more abominable false doctrines of the same man, and in the third book relates a story which deserves to be recorded. He says, on the authority of Polycarp, that the apostle John once entered a bath to bathe; but, learning that Cerinthus was within, he sprang from the place and rushed out of the door, for he could not bear to remain under the same roof with him. And he advised those that were with him to do the same, saying, Let us flee, lest the bath fall; for Cerinthus, the enemy of the truth, is within.
From NewAdvent -
During the fourth and fifth centuries the tendency to exclude the Apocalypse from the list of sacred books continued to increase in the Syro-Palestinian churches. Eusebius expresses no definite opinion. He contents himself with the statement: "The Apocalypse is by some accepted among the canonical books but by others rejected"

St. Cyril of Jerusalem does not name it among the canonical books (Catechesis IV.33-36); nor does it occur on the list of the Synod of Laodicea, or on that of Gregory of Nazianzus. Perhaps the most telling argument against the apostolic authorship of the book is its omission from the Peshito, the Syrian Vulgate.

1 posted on 12/22/2011 1:01:25 PM PST by Cronos
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To: Cronos

Sorry Cronos.

Per Paul, Jesus destroys the beast, the man of sin, the son of perdition with His breath at His second coming.

That hasn’t happened yet.


2 posted on 12/22/2011 1:06:09 PM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Cronos

VERY INTERESTING!!!!!!! THANKS!!!!


3 posted on 12/22/2011 1:12:32 PM PST by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Cronos

Bookmark for further reading. Thank you for posting.


5 posted on 12/22/2011 1:23:43 PM PST by FamiliarFace
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To: Cronos

Here’s more;

http://catholic-resources.org/Bible/666.htm


8 posted on 12/22/2011 1:32:19 PM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult (Those who trade land for peace will end up with neither one.)
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Nero was not THE anti-Christ, he was AN anti-Christ. The bible says there are many anti-Christs.

If you believe that Nero was the anti-Christ, and among other things, that most of the end-time scriptures have been fulfilled, you must then believe we are living in the 1000 year reign.

Last time I checked, the world is NOT getting better, sin is rampant, and the polarization between good and evil continue.

Nor has God written Israel out of his plan. They exist in Revelation as does the Church.

I prefer my prophecies to be fulfilled in full, every jot and tittle, thank you.

God is not slack in this manner.


14 posted on 12/22/2011 1:50:50 PM PST by BereanBrain
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To: Cronos

Nero was dead when Revelation was written.


17 posted on 12/22/2011 2:16:27 PM PST by circlecity
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To: Cronos

I don’t buy the preterist position and semi-preterism is just a very front loaded version of historiscism. (that is not a criticism of semi-preterism by the way). I do think, however, the preterists make a better case for their position than the dispensationalists do theirs.


18 posted on 12/22/2011 2:25:44 PM PST by circlecity
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I know that the folks who wrote the books clouded meanings to protect themselves from persecution.

However, some of those books read like they were written by the Alex Jones crowd. They dance around the point teasing you...but never really come to the point.


19 posted on 12/22/2011 2:25:48 PM PST by Vermont Lt (I just don't like anything about the President. And I don't think he's a nice guy.)
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To: Cronos

Not to mention, the Byzantine lectionary omits readings from Revelation to this day.


24 posted on 12/22/2011 3:34:10 PM PST by rzman21
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To: zot; SeraphimApprentice; Interesting Times

This sounds familiar? Did we discuss this theory at 1st Century?


27 posted on 12/22/2011 4:56:05 PM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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***Better known as Nero Caesar. *****

This has been known for years and is not news. Some groups try to make it out to be the Pope but that doesn’t work.


28 posted on 12/22/2011 5:01:55 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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The verse states:

...And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the MARK, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

The verse says nothing about a title. The verse states that the number will be based on the Antichrist's name, not his title.

Therefore, we have to take the title "Caesar" out of the equation, and when we do, we see that Nero could not have been Antichrist.

Therefore, we know that, since no man has met the Biblical requirements for Antichrist in the history of the world, he is a dictator who is yet to appear.

64 posted on 12/23/2011 4:36:23 AM PST by GiovannaNicoletta ("....in the last days, mockers will come with their mocking... (2 Peter 3:3))
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“proving” anyone’s name is a numerological equivalent of 666 is an old game.


83 posted on 12/23/2011 5:23:43 AM PST by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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11 And I looked and another beast another beast - Revival of radical Islamic religion/Jihad came up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb,
This end time beast is divided between Sunnis and Shiites. And to top it all off he declares the beast Islam to be a religion and culture of PEACE! Comes as a lamb! The beast, or Islam-Allah and the anti messiah are worshipped, as anti messiah shows himself to be Allah. http://yourarmstoisrael.org/Articles_new/articles/PDFs/The%20Final%20End%20Time%20Beast%20-BYSW%20Conference%202006.pdf


91 posted on 12/23/2011 6:10:28 AM PST by anglian
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Revelation chapter 11. The chapter begins with John being told to measure the temple (v. 1) and this temple is in “”the holy city”” (v.2). These are clear references to Jerusalem. This also helps in dating the book before the destruction of AD 70, when the temple was destroyed. Imagine John being told to measure something which his 1st century readers all understood was no longer in existence!

Chapter 11 continues with the story of the two witnesses of God, and their deaths at the hand of the beast, after which John records, “”And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which is mystically called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified”” (v. 8). First, in both Deuteronomy (32:28-33) and in Isaiah (1:10), God refers to the Jewish people, and Jerusalem in particular, as Sodom, and Ezekiel 23 links Israel to her harlotries in Egypt. So, there is precedent for John’s use of these names to describe what had once been the city of God. But if there is any doubt where this evil takes place, John clears it up with his reference to the city “”where also their Lord was crucified.”” Jesus was not crucified in Rome, or in Berlin, or in Moscow, or in Washington, D.C. Our Lord was crucified in Jerusalem, and this is the city God has prepared for destruction in the book of Revelation


125 posted on 12/23/2011 8:20:25 AM PST by NoDRodee (U>S>M>C)
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137 posted on 12/23/2011 10:30:08 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Cronos

It’s obvious that there are as many different convictions in the inerrancy of a particular Biblical interpretation, as there are interpreters. Anyone who ventures a post like this is asking for a verbal haymaker.

That is why I do so appreciate your bravery in commenting.


199 posted on 12/26/2011 1:27:02 PM PST by worst-case scenario (Striving to reach the light)
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To: Cronos

This is complete bull crap.


210 posted on 12/28/2011 2:04:52 AM PST by bmwcyle (I am ready to serve Jesus on Earth because the GOP failed again)
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To: Cronos

Ping


215 posted on 05/30/2021 2:11:15 AM PDT by Cronos ( )
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