Mary: Mother of God?

What Does the Bible say? ^ | 01/11/2012 | Bro. Lev Humphries,

[RnMomof7]

Mary: Mother of God?

This article is prompted by an ad in the Parade Magazine titled: "Mary Mother of God: What All Mankind Should Know." The offer was made for a free pamphlet entitled "Mary Mother of Jesus" with this explanation: "A clear, insightful pamphlet explains the importance of Mary and her role as Mother of God."

This is quite a claim, to say the least! Nowhere in the Bible is Mary said to be the mother of God. I touched on this subject in a series on "Mary Co-Redeemer with Christ" printed recently.

Question: If Mary is the Mother of God, Who, may I ask, is the Father of God? Does God have a Father, and if He does, Who is His Mother?

The phrase "Mother of God" originated in the Council of Ephesus, in the year 431 AD. It occurs in the Creed of Chalcedon, which was adopted by the council in 451 AD. This was the declaration given at that time: "Born of the Virgin Mary, the Mother of God according to the Manhood." The purpose of this statement originally was meant to emphasize the deity of Christ over against the teaching of the Nestorians whose teaching involved a dual-natured Jesus. Their teaching was that the person born of Mary was only a man who was then indwelt by God. The title "Mother of God" was used originally to counter this false doctrine. The doctrine now emphasizes the person of Mary rather than the deity of Jesus as God incarnate. Mary certainly did not give birth to God. In fact, Mary did not give birth to the divinity of Christ. Mary only gave birth to the humanity of Jesus. The only thing Jesus got from Mary was a body. Every Human Being has received a sinful nature from their parents with one exception: Jesus was not human. He was divine God in a flesh body. This is what Mary gave birth to. Read Hebrews 10:5 and Phil 2:5-11.

Please refer to Hebrews 10:5 where we see. "...Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me."

The body of Jesus was prepared by God. In Matthew 1:18, "she was found with child of the Holy Ghost."

The divine nature of Jesus existed from before eternity, and this cannot be said of Mary Jesus never called her "mother". He called her "woman".

This doctrine deifies Mary and humanizes Jesus. Mary is presented as stronger that Christ, more mature and more powerful that Christ. Listen to this statement by Rome: "He came to us through Mary, and we must go to Him through her." The Bible plainly states that God is the Creator of all things. It is a blasphemous attack on the eternity of God to ever teach that He has a mother. Mary had other children who were normal, physical, sinful human beings. In the case of Jesus Christ, "His human nature had no father and His divine nature had no mother."

It is probably no coincidence that this false doctrine surrounding Mary was born in Ephesus. Please read Acts 19:11-41 and see that Ephesus had a problem with goddess worship. Her name was Diana, Gk. Artemis. You will not have to study very deep to find the similarities between the goddess Diana and the Roman Catholic goddess, Mary. It should be noted that the Mary of the 1st century and the Mary of the 20th century are not the same. Mary of the 1st century was the virgin who gave birth to the Messiah. Mary of the 20th century is a goddess created by the Roman Catholic Church. A simple comparison of what the Bible teaches about Mary and what the Roman Catholic Church teaches about her will reveal two different Marys. Mary is not the "Mother of God." If she were she would be GOD! There is only one true, eternal God. He was not born of a woman. Any teaching on any subject should be backed up by the word of God. If it cannot be supported by Scriptures, it is false doctrine.

[editor-surveyor]

>> “what would the prophetess think about you posting on the Sabbath?” <<

.
She’s your god, not mine, so you tell us.

The sabbath is for man, not man for the sabbath. That is what my Lord and Savior said.

[narses]

[Iscool]

Logic doesn’t seem to be one of your stronger suits.

I have just as good a logic as anyone else...In fact, I have enough logic to realize that logic becomes invalid in the face of knowledge and experience...

You guys apply logic (or lack thereof) to scripture when the truth and facts are staring you in the face...

Logic belongs to man...Wisdom comes from God...

[Iscool]

Either we are warriors for Christ or else we are not.

HaHaHa...Not with those weapons, you're not...

Eph 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

And as one would automatically know, your Catholic warrier doesn't carry a bible...He'll get stomped to the curb on the first wave...

[CynicalBear]

My interpretation?

Just as the Old Testament is full of foreshadows of the New Testament (typology), Catholics believe the Bible is clear that the New Jerusalem of the Book of Revelation is not the historic city of Jerusalem. We do not believe that present day Israel is the same spiritual entity as the historic Israel before the time of Christ. After the crucifixion, the curtain of the Jewish sanctuary was torn in two (Mk 15:37-39, Lk 23:44-46, Mt 27:51) which was God tearing his cloths. At that point, a transfer of authority happened and we believe that the fledgling Church became the New Israel. [http://www.davidmacd.com/catholic/why_did_the_catholic_church_move_to_rome_from_jerusalem.htm]

877 Likewise, it belongs to the sacramental nature of ecclesial ministry that it have a collegial character. In fact, from the beginning of his ministry, the Lord Jesus instituted the Twelve as "the seeds of the new Israel and the beginning of the sacred hierarchy." Chosen together, they were also sent out together, and their fraternal unity would be at the service of the fraternal communion of all the faithful: they would reflect and witness to the communion of the divine persons. For this reason every bishop exercises his ministry from within the episcopal college, in communion with the bishop of Rome, the successor of St. Peter and head of the college. So also priests exercise their ministry from within the presbyterium of the diocese, under the direction of their bishop. [http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/877.htm]

[OpusatFR]

“worship prophetess”

Hunh...and here all this time I thought you were Kenyan, which makes about as much sense as the goofy continuation of
metaphysical references which are posted with some regularity by the noted hysterics on FR.

I want to rename this thread The Judithanne Catholic Warrior Memorial Thread.

I’d think she’d like that.

[narses]

“My interpretation?”

Yep the odd views of a poster who claims that Catholics are idolaters, that those who celebrate Easter and Christmas are pagans and that claims that the idea of church on Sunday is a man made tradition and apparently not either Christian or Biblical. Given that this is the point of view from which you view the world, why should anyone pay attention to your odd, often incomplete and often misread cut-n-pastes?

[narses]

[one Lord one faith one baptism]

Ellen White is my god, WHO KNEW??

[one Lord one faith one baptism]

“I’d think she’d like that”

AGREED, she is missed.

[CynicalBear]

Why the attempt at obfuscation? I posted two sources from Catholic sites and you have still to show anything from them that refute or disagree with what the RCC is saying in those statements of what they believe and teach. If you have evidence that that is not what they believe or teach why don’t you post it?

[narses]

Your trailer park polemics are frankly boring.

Your odd claims that Catholics are idolaters, that those who celebrate Easter and Christmas are pagans and that claims that the idea of church on Sunday is a man made tradition and apparently not either Christian or Biblical. Given that this is the point of view from which you view the world, why should anyone pay attention to your odd, often incomplete and often misread cut-n-pastes?

[CynicalBear]

Yeah, that’s what I expected. /sigh

[Bobsvainbabblings]

 

daniel1212, I went to the link you provided. It basically stated you won't find Jesus claiming He is God but if you look real close, the Spirit of God will give you hints as to Jesus being God. That sounds more like the spirit of this world. Did God really say He sent a Son?

From the link;

This work, which is not exhaustive, documents the Divinity of Christ, that He is God, having the same nature of the Father (who is the Head: 1Cor. 11:3), possessing certain Attributes, Titles, and Glory that uniquely belong to God  

1 Corinthians 11:3 (KJV 1900)

 

3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

This is what is usually describe as a organizational chart. They are used to show how things fit in an organization. This example shows where we, and His Christ, fit according to God The Father..

I am the head of my wife and family.

Christ is the head of me.

God the Father is the head of Christ.

They use a scripture that shows the Father above His Christ to prove they are equal. Does that make sense to you? It doesn't to me.

I then went to the home page; 

Welcome to Peace by Jesus

And we have seen

and do testify

that the Father

sent the Son

to be the Saviour

of the world

(1 John 4:14)

Do you believe this scripture? I do. It can't be any clearer. No matter how many hints you find elsewhere, you can't change the wording to say God sent Himself to be the savior of the world. 

Genesis 1:26-27

King James Version (KJV)

 

 ²⁶And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

 ²⁷So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

God the Father made Adam, and us, in His image and likeness as He did the Christ. Was Adam divine? Are we divine?

Would you please answer the question I asked in the post you responded to;

^{"Do you think a righteous God could condemn His creation, Adam and us, if He couldn't prove Adam and/or us could live a sinless life?"}

^{May God the Father lead us to His truth, BVB}

 

 

^{"Do you think a righteous God could condemn His creation, Adam and us, if He couldn't prove Adam and/or us could live a sinless life?"}

^{May God the Father lead us to His truth, BVB}

[Not gonna take it anymore]

Thank you.

[Jvette]

Funny you would say this, I was thinking yesterday that Judith Anne would have loved this thread. :)

[Jvette]

Children, i.e. we, the brothers and sisters of Jesus.

[rzman21]

Logic belongs to man...Wisdom comes from God...
>>They come from the same place.

Experience. Experience. You are beginning to sound like a liberal Modernist.

[editor-surveyor]

All of us here know, you’re the only one that ever brings up her name.

[daniel1212]

I went to the link you provided. It basically stated you won't find Jesus claiming He is God but if you look real close, the Spirit of God will give you hints as to Jesus being God.

You are indicating that you only are seeing some some things to the exclusion of others. What the page expresses is that while Christ did not basically rent billboards declaring “I am God almighty,” He did things and said things that left no other conclusion than that He was God “manifested in the flesh,” and in studying the Divinity of Christ,we will see that His Divine nature is declared both explicitly and implicitly. That besides explicitly calling Him God, other titles, attributes, and glory that uniquely belong to God are attributed by the Holy Spirit to the Son. That said, as the "The secret of the Lord is with them that fear him; and He will shew them his covenant, " (Psalms 25:14) so the question, “who is this Son of man?” (Jn. 12:34b) is revealed those who will receive Him for who He is.

1 Corinthians 11:3...I am the head of my wife and family. Christ is the head of me. God the Father is the head of Christ. They use a scripture that shows the Father above His Christ to prove they are equal. Does that make sense to you? It doesn't to me.

You response indicates that you presume that the Father and the Son must be the same, or can have no positional/functional distinctions in order for the Son to be Divine, as WTC disciples imagine, but which is not the case, and which is the reason this text is pertinent, as it reveals oneness need not be absolute. You and your wife are one flesh, not exactly like the Father and the Son, but you are ontologically one and are both human by nature, and spiritually there is neither male nor female in Christ. (Gal. 3:25) Likewise the Son is of the same uncreated nature as the Father, possessing an ontological oneness (“light from light, true God from true God begotten not made, one in being” as the creed sums it), whose goings forth have been from old, even from everlasting, the same word used to state the same attribute toward God. (Mic. 5:2; cf. Ps. 90:2)

1 John 4:14: Do you believe this scripture? I do. It can't be any clearer. No matter how many hints you find elsewhere, you can't change the wording to say God sent Himself to be the savior of the world.

This also indicates that you have a basic misunderstanding on the Deity of Christ, which again, does not mean that the Father is the Son, but is one with the Father, and as the Divine Word of God, He is the visible manifestation of the invisible God, the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person. And is the one whom Isiah saw when was given the prophecy about making men blind, and thus the Son could say, “he that seeth me seeth him that sent me.” (Is. 6:1—10; Jn. 34:bff)

And thus as God calls men to look to Him for salvation, as a particular attribute of Deity, so in the fullness of revelation we see that it is Christ men look to.

"Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. " (Isaiah 45:22)

Gn. 1:26: “And God said, Let us make man in our image..” God the Father made Adam, and us, in His image and likeness as He did the Christ. Was Adam divine? Are we divine?

This also is based upon a false premise, as nowhere does it say Christ was created, rather in no place is any creative activity attributed to anyone but the being called God, and rather than being created (Rv. 3:14 refers to position, not time), Christ is described as Creator.

"Thus saith the Lord, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;" (Isaiah 44:24)

"Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: " (Colossians 1:15-16)

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. " (John 1:1-3)

Also,

“..I am the Lord, and there is none else. " ..and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me." (Isaiah 45:6,21)

"And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life. " (John 5:40)

"Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. " (Acts 4:12)

"Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. " (Hebrews 12:2)

Also of note is that six times in the Old Testament beginning in Genesis 1:26, Almighty God refers to himself, the plural (and it is my understanding that the Royal “we” is not known at that time), the last time being in the aforementioned text of Isaiah 6 (who should go for us?”).

Here and here are more on this subject .

"Do you think a righteous God could condemn His creation, Adam and us, if He couldn't prove Adam and/or us could live a sinless life?"

As for your premise that we must be able to live a sinless life — loving God with all we've got everyday for all our lives without fail — in order for God to condemn us for not doing so, while this may support the Roman Catholic tradition of the perpetual sinlessness of Mary, it is unknown in Scripture that anyone did outside of Christ (and Scripture evidences the Holy Spirit makes such exceptions manifest), although sin is not imputed when there is no law, (Rm. 5:13) and an age of accountability can be seen. (Is. 7:15,16)

What Scripture shows is that by one man's disobedience men were made sinners, (Rm. 5:19) — sinners by nature and in deed, as having inherited a sinful nature they thus acted it out, and have broken the law of God — and so all the world is guilty before God, and is in need of redemption on Christ's expense and righteousness. (Rm. 3:9-19)

I understand the objection to men being condemned for what Adam did, but see judgment and condemnation only being based upon what the sinner has done, which ultimately that of loving darkness over light; sin over Christ. And unless one is delivered over to sin, Scripture indicates that man can resist sin. (Gn. 4:7) And while men are unable to live a sinless life and avoid condemnation as sinners in practice, what ultimately condemns them is that of rejecting Christ, who can save them from their sins. Therefore, as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, having sinned by yielding to their inherited sinful nature, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous, by yielding to the Holy Spirit, which draws all men to the Son sent from the Father to be the Savior of the world.

This does not mean that all men are given the same degree of grace, as that is God's prerogative, and He owes grace to no man.

I hope this answers your question sufficiently and I'm not sure if both issues related.