Posted on 01/11/2012 7:34:56 PM PST by RnMomof7
Mary: Mother of God?
This article is prompted by an ad in the Parade Magazine titled: "Mary Mother of God: What All Mankind Should Know." The offer was made for a free pamphlet entitled "Mary Mother of Jesus" with this explanation: "A clear, insightful pamphlet explains the importance of Mary and her role as Mother of God."
This is quite a claim, to say the least! Nowhere in the Bible is Mary said to be the mother of God. I touched on this subject in a series on "Mary Co-Redeemer with Christ" printed recently.
Question: If Mary is the Mother of God, Who, may I ask, is the Father of God? Does God have a Father, and if He does, Who is His Mother?
The phrase "Mother of God" originated in the Council of Ephesus, in the year 431 AD. It occurs in the Creed of Chalcedon, which was adopted by the council in 451 AD. This was the declaration given at that time: "Born of the Virgin Mary, the Mother of God according to the Manhood." The purpose of this statement originally was meant to emphasize the deity of Christ over against the teaching of the Nestorians whose teaching involved a dual-natured Jesus. Their teaching was that the person born of Mary was only a man who was then indwelt by God. The title "Mother of God" was used originally to counter this false doctrine. The doctrine now emphasizes the person of Mary rather than the deity of Jesus as God incarnate. Mary certainly did not give birth to God. In fact, Mary did not give birth to the divinity of Christ. Mary only gave birth to the humanity of Jesus. The only thing Jesus got from Mary was a body. Every Human Being has received a sinful nature from their parents with one exception: Jesus was not human. He was divine God in a flesh body. This is what Mary gave birth to. Read Hebrews 10:5 and Phil 2:5-11.
Please refer to Hebrews 10:5 where we see. "...Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me."
The body of Jesus was prepared by God. In Matthew 1:18, "she was found with child of the Holy Ghost."
The divine nature of Jesus existed from before eternity, and this cannot be said of Mary Jesus never called her "mother". He called her "woman".
This doctrine deifies Mary and humanizes Jesus. Mary is presented as stronger that Christ, more mature and more powerful that Christ. Listen to this statement by Rome: "He came to us through Mary, and we must go to Him through her." The Bible plainly states that God is the Creator of all things. It is a blasphemous attack on the eternity of God to ever teach that He has a mother. Mary had other children who were normal, physical, sinful human beings. In the case of Jesus Christ, "His human nature had no father and His divine nature had no mother."
It is probably no coincidence that this false doctrine surrounding Mary was born in Ephesus. Please read Acts 19:11-41 and see that Ephesus had a problem with goddess worship. Her name was Diana, Gk. Artemis. You will not have to study very deep to find the similarities between the goddess Diana and the Roman Catholic goddess, Mary. It should be noted that the Mary of the 1st century and the Mary of the 20th century are not the same. Mary of the 1st century was the virgin who gave birth to the Messiah. Mary of the 20th century is a goddess created by the Roman Catholic Church. A simple comparison of what the Bible teaches about Mary and what the Roman Catholic Church teaches about her will reveal two different Marys. Mary is not the "Mother of God." If she were she would be GOD! There is only one true, eternal God. He was not born of a woman. Any teaching on any subject should be backed up by the word of God. If it cannot be supported by Scriptures, it is false doctrine.
It’s time for you to show where anyone denied the deity of Christ. Show your proof or be considered untrue.
Don't accept the extremely clear meaning of James 2:24 and, " ... not by faith only"? Titus 3:9 but avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law. For they are unprofitable and vain.
Titus 3:10 A man that is a heretic, after the first and second admonition, avoid:
Titus 3:11 Knowing that he, that is such an one, is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned by his own judgment.
Those who continue to deny the deity of Christ can fool themselves however they like, but they should get used to the idea of hearing, "I never knew you" from the very Jesus Christ they deny is God.
“Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.” John 6:28-29
Why do you keep denying Jesus words?
MY own people? How would you know who *my own people* are?
Presuming a bit much, aren't you?
Why are they wrong and your you're you right?
Fixed it for you. How's that education working out for you?
And if they are wrong about this what else might they be wrong about?
I don't know because I haven't read anything else they've written.
Once again these are PRTESTANTS,[sic] I am only quoting people that you would normally agree with.
You think so, do you? Again, how do you know that I'd normally agree with them? Did I ever state as much or are you presuming to know what I'm thinking?
I am so glad that you are showing your true colors.
LOL!!!
Is taking verses out of context and misapplying them the default setting for Catholics?
That's sitting on judgment on another for sure. When Jesus used those words, it was in this setting, not the contrived one presented in the last few posts.
Who gave Catholics authority to take Jesus words and speak for Him and misapply them as if they were truth
Matthew 7:21-23 21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
These were the people those words were intended for, not someone some anonymous internet poster decides to apply them to.
Don't accept the extremely clear meaning of James 2:24 and, " ... not by faith only"?
Titus 3:9 but avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law. For they are unprofitable and vain.
Titus 3:10 A man that is a heretic, after the first and second admonition, avoid:
Titus 3:11 Knowing that he, that is such an one, is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned by his own judgment.
Those who continue to deny the deity of Christ can fool themselves however they like, but they should get used to the idea of hearing, "I never knew you" from the very Jesus Christ they deny is God.
Why keep trying to deceive people? Use the whole verse and then Jesus own words as to what that work is.
James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
“Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.” John 6:28-29
To continue the attempt to deceive is dishonoring what Jesus said. It’s also calling others like Paul and the Holy Spirit who guided them to write liars.
Rom. 3:28-30, "For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, 30 since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one."
Rom. 4:5, "But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness,"
Rom. 5:1, "therefore having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,"
Romans 9:30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
Phil. 3:9, "and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith."
So you see. Its faith and belief in Christ which saves. Jesus explained it clearly. The works of God is belief in Christ. The works of man do not save.
To try to lead people to deny what Jesus said is dangerous.
Luke 17:2 It would be better for him to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around his neck than for him to cause one of these little ones to sin.
Dodge, deek, and duck, but don’t answer the question. You are very good at that.
From someone who did not address as little as ONE comment of my post.
Hysterical.....
*deek*?
REALLY?????
You just don’t understand the power of the one-size-fits-all polemic when you are from the infallible church?
Since that post has been directed at me several times, I'm SURE I've asked the same thing you did. for proof of it. I'd also be interested in seeing the links to back up the accusation.
Doesn't the Catholic church teach something about bearing false witness? Or is that another commandment that doesn't mean what is says? Like the second one of the idea that Jesus would not send someone to hell for just for stealing.
Golly, I never realized that the Ten Commandments were so optional. I'm surprised that Catholicism and Catholics treat them so lightly.
Your ignorance of pugilism is showing.
Hysterical.....
Almost as hysterical as the number times you refused to tell us your level of expertise in Greek. almost as hysterical as the number of time I have asked you to explain why we should take your word over protestant scholars and ministers (which you still have failed to answer with anything that made the remotest sense.)Almost as hysterical as your complete lack of knowledge of Biblical exegesis.
LOL that’s perhaps the message we should take from that. I quess if the “church” trumps what Jesus says it works. Taking Jesus words as ultimate truth in opposition to the “church” is the reason we don’t understand the “church”? Hmmmm.
So far I still have to take the accusation as a falsehood.
Re Luke 22:24: The Lord here is not rejecting authority, which Scripture establishes, both positional and spiritual, but is rejecting the presupposition that the former constitute greatness.
Pastors are definitely not to lord it over others as after the manner of the Gentiles/the world which the Lord referred to, and position does not means preeminence in the sight of God, rather than one that serves in faith, and thus “every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.” (1 Corinthians 3:8)
There is the parable of a wealthy pastor with a large flock, and one night the pastor had a dream. In his dream he saw many different sized crowns hovering over his congregation - from big crowns to a miniature sized crown.
As crowns began to descend and rest upon certain members, the pastor, being mindful of his large congregation and the esteem it brought him among others, presumed the largest crown would rest upon him. However, to his chagrin it was the smallest crown that rested upon his head, while the largest crown descended upon the head of a little old lady - “holy Helen” some called her - who spent her days in fastings and prayers for the pastor and the flock - though that was unbeknown to most.
The pastor was perplexed and was somewhat offended, and so he asked the Lord “Why?” To which the answer came, “Listen. The reason I am still using YOU is because of HER.”
After the Lord Himself, i see the model for manifest leadership being Moses and Paul, both of whom were revelators of covenants with the single most contributors to their respective testaments (i don’t buy the JEDP hypothesis). And who were willing to be damned if it could secure the salvation of their people, and labored day and night more than others in service to God on their behalf, though they were largely rejected because of it. (And Paul’s words in such places as 2 Cor. 11-12 regarding that were not due to feelings of inferiority, as some charge, but was an heartfelt attempt to rescue his deceived flock from self-proclaimed apostles deceivers by manifesting who really was an apostle and who really care for their soul).
But it is clear in Scripture that God upholds the principal of authority, both in the civil realm (1Tim. 2:2) as well and the home and church, as the Trinity itself examples. (1Cor. 11:3) And as pastoral position is one of authority, thus women are excluded from that function over men (1Tim. 2:12) though not as being spiritually inferior in Christ.
Those who are in such position have a commission to care for the flock, and which includes discipline, in union with the flock, in manifest subjection upon Scripture and the qualifications for such, and not as an infallible autocratic leaders.
Thus, in that context, believers are enjoined to obey them that oversee them, (Heb. 13:17) and pastor Titus was to “speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.” (Titus 2:15) and likewise Timothy was to “reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.” (2Tim. 4:2) For as in a family, which pastoring is likened to, (1Tim. 3:4,5) the same hand that hugs must sometime spank. But no one can claim authority unless they are Scripturally established, in conformity to Scripture and its qualifications for establishing such.
Your ignorance of SPELLING is showing.
Try again.....
Go figure.
Of course you do. Anything that contrived out of nothing usually is.
It gets back to what I said on an earlier thread.
Their tactic is to discredit us by accusing us of something so blatantly wrong and then state that since we're wrong about that, we can't be trusted to be right about anything else.
That way, the lurkers, and any who really don't know any better, might be inclined to believe them. That's why we have to keep pointing out the fallacy of their accusations.
It's pretty sad when you have a product you can't sell on its own merits but only by trying to convince the prospective customer that the other product is so defective that yours is the only option left.
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