Mary: Mother of God?

What Does the Bible say? ^ | 01/11/2012 | Bro. Lev Humphries,

[Al Hitan]

Petra” is the word used by Paul here as well as by Peter at 1 Peter 2:8.

Yep, that there is pretty darn good Greek. A rock has female gender in Greek, so petra it is. You'll also notice that "a stone" is the Greek lithos in that same verse. Thanks for pointing it out.

[Iscool]

The rock below is not Christ.

You are right...That rock in the foreground is Peter...That rock in the background is Jesus...

[Al Hitan]

That rock in the background is Jesus...

If you are worshipping that thinking it is Jesus, you are sadly mistaken.

[Iscool]

There is no doubt that Jesus gave Peter the name “rock” and followed that naming with the claim that He would build His Church on that rock.

That's how you got into this mess...By misquoting God...Jesus did not say he would build his church on 'that' rock...

*** Now show proof that Peter was head of the church in Rome.***

I will not chase you down that rabbit hole.

Why not, your religion dug the rabbit hole...Why are you afraid of it???

[Iscool]

The Church does as Jesus did, which is proclaim the truth.
Some will follow, some will not.

Problem is, we have the words of Jesus, the Truth... And we find in those words that your statement is not at all accurate...

[caww]

Those are scripture quotations..not my opinion..they are addressed to Christians and yes I do believe what they say....

[stonehouse01]

God had her picked out - her mother St. Anne and Father St. Joachim specifically had her consecrated to the Temple at birth - this means she was specially reserved for God and would remaion a Virgin her whole life.

God’s Grace is retroactive - God’s time is mystical and not linear as ours is. Remember that Abraham, Moses, Noah, etc., were saved after their deaths.

[Iscool]

God did not influence her, He does not compel love or obedience. He responded to her obedience, which He knew from the beginning. She is the woman of Genesis, 3:15.

Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
Gen 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

So God is talking about Mary here, eh??? And you teach this to other lesser biblically educated Catholics???

[gghd]

Those quotes do NOT belong to ggdd. I attend a Church that has always maintained that attending a Church is part of ‘Honoring God.’ It also has requirements about what is considered a Church as a Church is more than a building.

Bless people for Honoring God in their own way If it leads to Heaven. God decides who gets into Heaven.

I’m curious do you attend any Church? & if so, how big is it? What is the name of your Church?

[MarkBsnr]

Judgment for sin was met at Calvary in the person of Jesus Christ...He said..."It is finished"...I believe He meant that.....also... It is written..."there is NOW no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus"...I believe this as well.

Believe all you like; this is not a Christian belief. Judgement was not made at Calvary. This is Unitarianism or Calvinism. Atonement was. This is Christianity. The ability of man to be saved was the effect of Calvary. The guarantee of any individual man was not. Both Jesus and Paul keep referring to the 'many'. If you are of the 'many', then that will be determined by your own particular Judgement.

As for idols....Yes, if catholics are kneeling before a wooden figure made to look like mans idea of what she looked like then yes they are worshiping an idol....if they are praying to it, building shrines around it, parading it thru the streets, kissing it etc....yes then they are worshiping it...Just as I stated.

Plaster ones are okay, then?

You stated that Catholics worship idols. Kneeling before someone is idolatry? Better not get knighted by the Queen of England then. You will kneel before her. Is that idolatry?

Praying for someone to pray for you is idolatry? Better take that up with St. Paul and St. John.

Building shrines and parading through streets is idolatry? No doubt the early Church martyrs and Fathers were idolators and therefore worthy of scorn. By the way, how do you sleep at night, knowing that your Scripture was written and chosen by idolators? How does your understanding of God jive with the theology of the idolators?

Answer: variously, depending on your mood, the stage of the moon, the level of the stock market, and the arrangement of YOPIOS breakfast cereal in your bowl this morning.

[MarkBsnr]

Thank you. I answered the previous post in kind...

[verga]

There is no support in scripture for many of the teachings of the RCC.

A young boy had a box full of puppies in it and one of the local protestant ministers came up and the boy asked him if he wanted to see the protestant puppies. the minister was delighted. three weeks later he brought a Catholic Priest friend of his over to the young boys house. The boy asked if they wanted to see the Catholic Puppies. The minster commented that three weeks ago the boy had said they were protestant, the boy replied that yes they had been protestant 3 weeks ago, but that was when they had their eyes closed.

Think about it, and rember it was the Catholic Church that gave you the New Testament.

[MarkBsnr]

>>Odd. It wasn't obvious to my current pastor (who spent 25 years as a Baptist minister, most of it in the armed forces and much of that in Germany). It is not obvious to the Anglicans who are fleeing from the obvious outcome of English Protestantism to Catholic Christianity.<<

Catholics always like to parade out that mantra of how many have agreed with them.

When you make the claim that things are obvious to ALL non Catholics and we indicate that your claim is not valid, then you shift your argument. Interesting.

May I remind you that there was only one family saved out of the entire world when Noah and his family entered the Ark? The there was Lot and his two daughters who were the only three saved out of Sodom and Gomorrah. That nonsense about who all agrees with the RCC and how large and old they claim that organization to be falls flat in comparison doesn’t it.

You are going to compare yourself with Noah and Lot? Based on what? By the fact that you are odd man out and nobody else agrees with you? What makes you Christian and everyone else not? Certainly your theology expounded here wanders far afield from the Apostolic Faith and from the Apostolic Fathers and the Church Fathers. What makes you right and them wrong? By the fact that only you believe what you believe?

In Noah count do I believe in your Christianity a Lot.

[MarkBsnr]

There were many depictions of the Last Supper in that era...some were given other names as they were too risque too much like a love feast...others mildly so...but I think to catholics de Vinci’s works are often used because they simply like the art form....like he’s as holy as the paintings he painted. Because certain art critics think his images were great does not make them so.....but it was more his methods and color mixtures which gained him notoriety even moreso and is only one measurement of a good artist.

Very good. Crap all over Da Vinci and Catholics in one post. Strap that venom on; looks good on you.

[verga]

1Corinthians10:4 4 and all drank the same spiritual drink, for they were drinking from a spiritual rock which followed them; and the rock was Christ.

και παντες το αυτο TSBπομα πνευματικον επιον Aπομα επινον γαρ εκ πνευματικης ακολουθουσης πετρας η TSBδε πετρα Aδε ην ο χριστος

Appears he used both, because that is how Greek works, The gender of a noun depends on

1)the gender of the person.

2) how often it is being used, and

3) the case.

[verga]

Anti-intellectualism from iscool, I am never surprised by the ignorance that come out of your mouth anymore.

You keep "being stupid for Jesus" let me know how that works out for you.

[verga]

Why not, your religion dug the rabbit hole...Why are you afraid of it???

The topic of the thread is supposed to be Mary, if you want to start a different thread you go right ahead.

[narses]

“In Noah count do I believe in your Christianity a Lot.”

:)

[CynicalBear]

>>where did the NT come from<<

Jesus promised that the Holy Spirit would help the disciples remember everything He told them and that they had seen. They wrote down what the Holy Spirit inspired them to write and dispersed those writings which they called epistles. As time went on God used humans to spread those epistles sometimes even using evil people to preserve those documents like He has done at times to bring about His will and purposes. An example of how he uses even evil people would be one of Jesus closest associates named Judas.

We are told in Revelation that some of those who preserved those documents have fallen away from their “first love” and risk being removed from the “book of life” but even those were used by God to spread those Epistles so that they were available to people who stayed true. Even the Jewish nation who rejected Christ were still used by God to preserve the Old Testament.

There are those who would like to take credit for themselves and use that to convince people that whatever they teach is the only correct way but we only need to see what happened to the Jews to understand that it’s God who preserves His word even if the people who He uses sometimes aren’t the ones who He “preserves” to the end. We can also read in Revelation 1-3 that those that have “preserved” the written word aren’t necessarily safe for eternity if they add to that word or take away from it.

There’s more that could be said about “where it came from” but that’s pretty much it in a nut shell. Needless to say it’s obvious that it’s dangerous to listen to those who boast and try to take credit away from God for what He does. Hope that helps.

>>how do you KNOW it?<<

Well, we have God’s promise that He would never forsake us and we trust Him. He said “Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away” (Mark 13:31) and we have seen that to be true to date. Then there is His promise to us that the Holy Spirit would dwell in us. Romans 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

[Iscool]

Anti-intellectualism from iscool, I am never surprised by the ignorance that come out of your mouth anymore.

You keep "being stupid for Jesus" let me know how that works out for you.

1Co 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. 1Co 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
1Co 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
1Co 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

You wanna show us dummies where God left it to the intellectuals to understand the things of God??? Oh, that's right...You can't...Because it doesn't exist...

Mat 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven

1Jn 5:21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.

So let me see here...Aren't you one of those who doesn't have a clue whether he'll even make it to purgatory, let alone heaven???

Aren't you one of those who bows down to a statue of the Queen of Heaven to ask her for Grace???

Because I haven't read nor desire to read all that Catholic propaganda put out by your religion I am stupid for Jesus???

Actually that's got a pretty good ring to it...I think I'll be stupid for Jesus for a long time...

Pro 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

Hos 13:2 And now they sin more and more, and have made them molten images of their silver, and idols according to their own understanding, all of it the work of the craftsmen: they say of them, Let the men that sacrifice kiss the calves.

Luk 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

Actually, it has worked out real well for me...