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To: CynicalBear

***No it wasn’t a coincidence.

Peter has just confirmed that he believes Jesus is that Rock***

So, it was Peter who called Jesus the Rock and not the other way around? Hmmmm. Here I was thinking that Peter had just confirmed that Jesus is the Son of the Living God and that Jesus then called Peter, rock.

***Only in the minds of Catholics. Even James was more the leader in Jerusalem. Paul wrote to the Romans and didn’t even mention Peter. There is no proof that Peter was even over the church in Rome nor that he was leader in any capacity other than to the Jews.****

All of this has been thoroughly gone over and shown to be in complete contrast with what Scripture actually says and what history has recorded.

But, I thoroughly understand why one must cling to these beliefs.

***Through their fall is talking about the Jews. Paul is the apostle to the Gentiles, the church, not Peter as the RCC would like to portray.***

So, as I thought, in the mind of one who thinks as you do, there were no Jews in the Church.

Hmmm. What does St. Paul say in Ephesians?

Brothers and sisters:
You have heard of the stewardship of God’s grace
that was given to me for your benefit,
namely, that the mystery was made known to me by revelation.
It was not made known to people in other generations
as it has now been revealed
to his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit:
that the Gentiles are coheirs, members of the same body,
and copartners in the promise in Christ Jesus through the gospel.

With whom are the Gentiles now coheirs, members of the same body and copartners with?


1,068 posted on 01/13/2012 7:13:23 PM PST by Jvette
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To: Jvette
>>So, it was Peter who called Jesus the Rock and not the other way around?<<

1 Cor. 3:11, "For no man can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ,"

1 Cor. 10:4, "and all drank the same spiritual drink, for they were drinking from a spiritual rock (petras) which followed them; and the rock (petra) was Christ."

Matthew 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

>> All of this has been thoroughly gone over and shown to be in complete contrast with what Scripture actually says and what history has recorded.<<

Acts 15:12 Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them. 13 And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me: 14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name. 15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written, 16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up: 17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things. 18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world. 19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:

It wasn’t Peter who was the declarative last word.

>>So, as I thought, in the mind of one who thinks as you do, there were no Jews in the Church.<<

I never said there were “no Jews” in the church. Please don’t twist my words.

Now show proof that Peter was head of the church in Rome.

1,077 posted on 01/13/2012 7:32:48 PM PST by CynicalBear
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