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Who Can be Saved?
The Catholic Thing ^ | January 21, 2012 | Howard Kainz

Posted on 01/21/2012 1:33:21 PM PST by NYer

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Howard Kainz is emeritus professor of philosophy at Marquette University. He is the author of many books, including the recently published The Existence of God and the Faith-Instinct
1 posted on 01/21/2012 1:33:27 PM PST by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...

Catholic ping!


2 posted on 01/21/2012 1:34:36 PM PST by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: NYer
This is strictly a Catholic problem. We true believers in the Word of God know we are saved. Anyone that has any doubt does not know Bible doctrine.
3 posted on 01/21/2012 1:39:07 PM PST by fish hawk (Tebow or Rodman, who would I like to introduce my grandson to? MMmmmmmm)
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oh goody, another know it all protestant, “me, and jesus, and my bible” is all we need...


4 posted on 01/21/2012 1:46:18 PM PST by raygunfan
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Let the Verbal Mud Slinging Begin!! LOL!!

5 posted on 01/21/2012 1:53:35 PM PST by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass ,Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: NYer
But “born again” Protestants also seem to assume that they can never be lost. This is doubly amazing. Since most Protestants don’t believe in Purgatory, “born again” Protestants would thus believe they go immediately into heavenly bliss after death. No delay!

We know that we are saved by Christ.. His sacrifice was SUFFICIENT , no work needs to be added to His.. He is the author AND THE FINISHER of our faith...there is nothing we can add to that

We are the righteousness of God in Christ.. not because we deserve it..but because He has given it to us

6 posted on 01/21/2012 1:58:18 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: NYer

“Who Can be Saved?”

I suspect that G-d has the ability to save anybody he chooses to.


7 posted on 01/21/2012 1:59:48 PM PST by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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Jhn 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Jhn 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

Jhn 6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.

Jhn 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.


8 posted on 01/21/2012 2:01:20 PM PST by RnMomof7
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9 posted on 01/21/2012 2:03:03 PM PST by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass ,Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: NYer

Most evangelicals know to a date certain on what day and at what moment they committed and gave their life to God.

My impression is that its a bit different with Catholics, they will see their walk of faith as more of a continuum. Although, in actual fact, there will definitely have been a moment in the life of any committed Catholic believer in which he did, in fact, accept God’s dominion over his life. (Like, every day, no doubt).

I see my walk as a continuum too, but I remember when it started.

I don’t know that Catholics typically say anything directly equivalent to the “sinner’s prayer” that is popular in evangelical churches but a committed, believing Catholic would have no problem saying those words and has no doubt said them many times.

If you love God and have made him lord of your life, if you believe that Jesus is the Christ, then we’re brothers. You may or may not see me in the same light, but I see you as my brother or sister. If God is alive in your life you will already have seen all the confirmation you need.

I’m not catholic but I’ve met many genuinely Christian catholics and I do not doubt their salvation. And if God claims you, I do too. We aren’t going to agree with each other on everything this side of heaven, and I don’t know that its necessary that we do. We aren’t called to agree with each other on everything, we’re only called to love one another. And I think we mostly do.

God is the choreographer. I’ll do whats in front of me, while you do what he puts in front of you. I’ll feel free to tell you you aren’t doing it right from time to time, and you will no doubt tell me the same. Its part of being human.


10 posted on 01/21/2012 2:10:22 PM PST by marron
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That's the ticket. You can wear your mill stone as you like. I threw mine away when I was saved. Poor Catholics have to “do something” to be saved. I guess Gods Grace just isn't enough for some people.
11 posted on 01/21/2012 2:21:56 PM PST by fish hawk (Tebow or Rodman, who would I like to introduce my grandson to? MMmmmmmm)
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as long as you are content in your stunted growth as a christian, and feel comfy in your man-made thelogy, as opposed to what shows, and is documented historically from the time of the apostles, that’s fine....


12 posted on 01/21/2012 2:31:58 PM PST by raygunfan
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We true believers in the Word of God know we are saved. Anyone that has any doubt does not know Bible doctrine.

Apparently, neither do you.

In Matt. 7:21 - all those who say "Lord, Lord" on the last day will not be saved. They are judged by their evil deeds. And, in Luke 8:13 - Jesus teaches that some people receive the word with joy, but they have no root, believe for a while, and then fall away in temptation. They had the faith but they lost it.

Scripture further demonstrates the possibility of losing Salvation. For example, Rom. 8:24 - for in this hope we were saved (but, again, why "hope" if salvation is a certainty?) More importantly in 1 Peter 1:9 we learn that you obtain the salvation of your souls as the outcome of your faith. Working out our salvation in fear and trembling is a lifelong process.

13 posted on 01/21/2012 2:38:53 PM PST by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: marron
Amen!

What with all the enemy of our souls have thrown at us believers to argue with semantics which come down to a real belief anyway. If we walk the walk with or without the so-called "key word". We Trust in Jesus.

I remember hearing about this Christian in the Iron curtain during the 1950's. He was in Jail with every know Christian. Catholics and Indy church were praising and singing hymns together in Jail. Most of them died except him. He wrote a book and came to America to witness his supernatural story.

Gee! I forgot his name.

Amen!

His Divine Mercy overrides all else!

Praise Jesus!!

14 posted on 01/21/2012 2:39:55 PM PST by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass ,Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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We know that we are saved by Christ.. His sacrifice was SUFFICIENT , no work needs to be added to His

See my post #13.

15 posted on 01/21/2012 2:41:12 PM PST by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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Everyone can be saved that deserves to be saved. IMHO


16 posted on 01/21/2012 2:45:31 PM PST by ex-snook ("above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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Also remember the ones in Jail were willing to die for Jesus and most did. That could be coming here in our life time. Also Reminds me of the middle east Christians.

Thank you for their Witness Lord Jesus!

17 posted on 01/21/2012 2:48:07 PM PST by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass ,Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: fish hawk

Romans 10:9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. 11 As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.”[e] 12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”[f]


18 posted on 01/21/2012 2:58:43 PM PST by upsdriver (We Tea Partiers need Sarah Palin for president.)
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To: ex-snook
Everyone can be saved that deserves to be saved. IMHO

Only trouble with that is no one deserves to be saved.

19 posted on 01/21/2012 3:01:39 PM PST by upsdriver (We Tea Partiers need Sarah Palin for president.)
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To: johngrace

Great link!


20 posted on 01/21/2012 3:35:29 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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