Posted on 02/11/2012 10:13:46 AM PST by RnMomof7
Actually, no. It would seem as if your fervor has put blinders on you. Your answer shows that you have not REALLY read the articles without a pre-determined slant on what they say. Let's see if I can say it plainly in a way you can understand:
Molestation of children is AWFUL - no matter who the predator is. But what is MORE AWFUL (f that is possible) is the coverup and the protecting of these predators by their organization that claims it represents the One True, Almighty God. And that the organization claims that one moment these perverts destroy the lives of children, but at the same time they can still be representatives of God - forever. That is outrage! It gives a most disgusting picture of the god these people and their protectors are serving.
So you are trying to tell us that you are one of the learned and stable folks who understands the scripture and we are not???
Now you are making stuff up...That's not the issue at all...Never has been...If you are unwilling to discuss the issue, why even post at all???
Oh ya, it's called distraction, isn't it...
No one is saying its exclusively a Catholic problem. What we are saying is that the Catholic Church proposes to be the only church sanctioned by Christ and claim they are the source of all truth in religious matters. They claim the vicar of Christ is their head and that their priests can absolve of sin. No other entity claims those things.
Catholics cant have it both ways. They cant present themselves as the only true church and then cry like babies when they are actually held to a higher standard. Its hypocritical. So which is it? Are they the "only true church" or are they "any other entity"?
Sure it is. See posts 2,3,4, and 5 this very thread. That's EXACTLY what all those posts say.
What it is however, is an attempt to rebut the idea being put forth that child molestation is an exclusively Catholic problem.
Show us where ANY of us said or implied that.
The problem is, you people get mad when any evidence is presented that shows that it is a lot more widespread OUTSIDE of the Catholic church.
We do? How do you know that?
It's almost if you people *don't care* when a child is molested outside of the church.
It's almost if you people *don't care* when a child is molested outside inside of the church.
But that would be cyncical of me to state, and since you people have *so much* class, I would never make that accusation.
But you did anyway.
Lastly, this is an article about people who *are accused*, not convicted, released by a lawyer who has a finacial interest in children being molested, and seeing that those numbers are as high as possible.
Did you even READ the article? Or did you choose to ignore this line......
Many if not all these priests have admitted to sexual abuse, Boucher said. They live within a mile of 1,500 playgrounds, schools and daycare centers.
Wait, is he trying to deny that the cover ups or transfers have happened? The Catholic Church is the entity that holds itself as the highest authority as it relates to religion. How can they now want to be compared to other entities in this issue?
So ... it seems that some protestants think that child molesting is perfectly fine ... if the molester happens to be a protestant.
I often pray for the people on FR who are so filled with hatred for the Catholic Church.
Vilifying the Church is a treasured strategy for the left.
OK, what's the issue here? I mean flamebait and posturing aside for a moment. Let's talk honestly, if that's possible. These are men who have been accused of committing abuse, right?
So is the Church hiding them? That's what the headline says. "Hiding in plain sight" What's going on here, that shouldn't be going on? Is this illegal? Should these men be locked up? Forced to wear a sign?
Ray Boucher has mapped sixty locations where suspect priests live, in cities and towns from northern to southern California, and provided those locations to NBC4 exclusively.
OK, so these men are "suspects". Good for Ray. He knows where these accused men live.
Many if not all these priests have admitted to sexual abuse, Boucher said. They live within a mile of 1,500 playgrounds, schools and daycare centers.
OK, so now we're getting somewhere. These men are self-admitted abusers. We'll take your word for it. And they're living too close to places frequented by children. OK, so this could be an issue. But they haven't been convicted and therefore can't be marked with the "sex offender" tag and therefore they can live anywhere they please.
So this amounts to "hiding", to use the phrase coined by the headline? Really?
Since none of the priests has actually been convicted of sex abuse, none can be identified under Megans Law, or their whereabouts revealed in related public databases.
Just as I suspected.
So why haven't they been convicted? Is it because a financial settlement was reached and cases were dropped? OK, that's a choice that was freely taken.
Now what?
I mean seriously? Also, are all these men actually still priests? Those that aren't can live where they please. Those that are still priests can certainly be relocated by the Church.
The article is a beat up. Absent a conviction, these men are legally free to live where they want. So what's Boucher's beef? That these men (those who are still priests, that is) ought to be moved to a monastery in the middle of Wyoming? Fine, say so. But this "hiding in plain sight" is tabloid journalism at its finest.
NOTHING TO UNDERSTAND beforehand! IT IS WHAT IT IS! God's Word IS The Final Authority. You conform to The Word, you don't conform God's Word to suite your understanding and/or agenda. You read His Word KNOWING that is the only TRUTH and everything else MUST conform to it! If it doesn't it's not from HIM! And don't assign it to HIM.
And don't add to what HE has expressly said to cover man made doctrines/teachings regarding priests, nuns, monks whatever and commands to not eat meat. You either choose to learn from God's Word by being obedient to 'HEAR and OBEY' or you twist it mean something to make yourself feel better. Twisting God's Word is deception and is satan's tactic used to deceive from the very beginning.
1 Tim 4:1-3 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
Forbidding to marry, [and commanding] to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
Reminder: God's Word is spiritually discerned. Without the spirit, one comes up with that foolish you assigned to that Scripture..this "forbidding to marry" is referring to the practices of sects like the Shakers that declared that no believers, even those who are married, should have sex.
Why should I be mad? Again I am glad when the world is made safe from a child molester. I'm just pointing out that the author is playing fast and loose with the numbers.
Hi there --- I have a sincere question which I hope you can help me out with. It is this:
Was it something someone said to you, or was it some book or movie, or where did you get the idea that Catholics are taught to "obey, force themselves if need be, and never question" any member of the clergy?
It is false, and to all the Catholics I know, it is laughably, eye-rollingly false. But on the other hand, I don't want to accuse you of knowingly circulating a falsehood, so I'll assume you believe it to be true because somebody told you, or you read it somewhere.
So, where did you pick up this misinformation? Or who passed it on to you? Do you remember?
Really? Did you read my post and contact them all? Wonder who is spreading a falsehood.
I was denying your bizarre assertion that because priests are human and some priests, being human, are bad, that the Catholic Church is therefore EVIL.
You remind me of those Westboro Baptist Church freaks.
Admit it... you're a Westboromite, aren't you?
This issue has often been characterized by posters screaming....."defrock him!! .....why won't the Church defrock him!!" You and several others on this thread might have been among them. It's often been a shrill and unthinking shriek.
Due to the law of unintended consequences, your posting of this thread shows very nicely why. Those men who are no longer priests (i.e. they've been laicized) can live anywhere.
Can we now agree that "defrocking" might actually not be such a great idea? If so, that would be progress. At least if they're still priests, the Church can still supervise these men and exercise some degree of control over them, as opposed to none when they've been cut loose. If our concern is truly for the children and we're not simply engaged in a "whack-a-mole" exercise, would it be too much to expect some sort of admission that the "defrocking" route might actually be counterproductive?
Thank you.
And your proof for that outrageous statement is where?
Your response was clearly....and twice no less...." No. No it doesn't."
So let's be clear about that.
Further let's just see what evil behaves like within the Priesthood and leadership......
"John Geoghan was engaging in oral sex with boys while instructing them to close their eyes and repetitively recite "Hail Marys,"..... Gauthe was forcing altar boys in Louisiana to repeatedly submit to and perform anal or oral intercourse with him often molesting several boys in one family..... Estimates of the number of his victims, some of whom were as young as 7, ranged upwards of 100..... Geoghan swore boys to secrecy by telling them what they did was "confessional";... Gauthe, who often carried firearms, warned at least one boy that if he said anything Gauthe would harm his parents..... Inevitably, though, some of these boys did tell their parents. Diocesan authorities simply transferred him to another parish--and another, and another." Now this happened by just two of the many Priests now a matter of record. So yes, using your word, the church could be said as "evil" for enabling and assisting these criminals to continue their dastardly deeds.
School teachers don't claim to Represent Jesus Christ to their students or their parents. The catholic church does claim their Priests as Representing Christ.....BIG difference.
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