[Quix]

If the Pentecostals/Charismatics weren't all over the map in what they believe, and it various substantially, on this topic then it would not be such a complicated confusing topic.

If the

--RC's
--Calvinists
--Baptists
--Unitarians
--Episcopalians
--Methodists
--Non-denominationalists
--Interdenominationalists
. . .

weren't all over the map in what they believe, and it various substantially, on LOTS of topics, in addition to this one, then it would not be such a complicated confusing 'Christian reality.'

[caww]

But it IS this one we are discussing.