Posted on 03/11/2012 4:27:55 PM PDT by Heart-Rest
LOL!
Thought you’d like that!
Seriously thinking of a vanity for the first 11 chapters of Genesis. They totally fit with he current state of physics and cosmology. Might be fun to write.
No problem. Except for a long non sequitur. If there was an answer to the question in there and I missed it, please… excuse me.
:)
Thank you and God Bless!
Did I, or did I not respond to you? The answer, for the slow, is yes.
I talked about why I figured evolution was a valid thing. So far you have given bupkiss as an answer. Go back, read, with comprehension enabled, then we can talk.
Otherwise - F off.
I really detest creationists. They deny the glory of the Lord.
. I have to differ with you on that, its more than a habit, its a lifestyle.
This from a non Trinitarian? This from someone who mocks the Faith regularly? Now you are accusing me of getting it wrong? Tell you what - come back to this conversation when you believe in the Triune God of Christianity and the Real Presence in the Eucharist. Right now, I do not recall any posts of yours that coincide with Christianity.
>> “Nor am I the one getting Scriptural content wrong” <<
. Ditto.
Tell you what - come back to this conversation when you believe in the Triune God of Christianity and the Real Presence in the Eucharist. Right now, I do not recall any posts of yours that coincide with Christianity.
>> “Peter wrote about people getting Paul wrong.” << . The catholic pagan seance club deliberately disregards Christ’s commandments in Matthew, all of them.
I don't know where your catholic pagan seance club meets, but it does sound like a relatively recent invention. Perhaps about 1905 on Azusa Street?
These are the biggies:
>o Repitive ‘prayers’
1 Thessalonians 5: 16 Rejoice always; 17 pray without ceasing; 18 in everything give thanks; for this is God’s will for you in Christ Jesus.
Matthew 6: 7 “And when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition as the Gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words. 8 So do not be like them; for your Father knows what you need before you ask Him.
9 “Pray, then, in this way:
‘Our Father who is in heaven, Hallowed be Your name. 10 ‘Your kingdom come. Your will be done, On earth as it is in heaven. 11 ‘Give us this day [e]our daily bread. 12 ‘And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. 13 ‘And do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from [f]evil. [g][For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.’]
14 For if you forgive [h]others for their transgressions, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive [i]others, then your Father will not forgive your transgressions.
It seems that Jesus wants us to pray meaningfully, not babbling stream of consciousness at Pentecostal snake handling sessions.
Matthew 26: 36 Then Jesus *came with them to a place called Gethsemane, and *said to His disciples, “Sit here while I go over there and pray.”...
42 He went away again a second time and prayed, saying, “My Father, if this cannot pass away unless I drink it, Your will be done.”...
44 And He left them again, and went away and prayed a third time, saying the same thing once more.
Apparently Jesus Himself does not share your opinion.
>o Calling men Father
Once again your context is at odds with the Faith.
1 Corinthians 4: 14 I do not write these things to shame you, but to admonish you as my beloved children. 15 For if you were to have countless tutors in Christ, yet you would not have many fathers, for in Christ Jesus I became your father through the gospel. 16 Therefore I exhort you, be imitators of me. 17 For this reason I have sent to you Timothy, who is my beloved and faithful child in the Lord, and he will remind you of my ways which are in Christ, just as I teach everywhere in every church.
Luke 16: 22 Now the poor man died and was carried away by the angels to Abraham’s bosom; and the rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and *saw Abraham far away and Lazarus in his bosom. 24 And he cried out and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus so that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool off my tongue, for I am in agony in this flame.’ 25 But Abraham said, ‘Child, remember that during your life you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus bad things; but now he is being comforted here, and you are in agony. 26 And [r]besides all this, between us and you there is a great chasm fixed, so that those who wish to come over from here to you will not be able, and that none may cross over from there to us.’ 27 And he said, ‘Then I beg you, father, that you send him to my father’s house— 28 for I have five brothers—in order that he may warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’ 29 But Abraham *said, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them hear them.’ 30 But he said, ‘No, father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent!’
We understand Jesus to tell the Pharisees in Matthew 23 to stop taking all manner of titles upon themselves (also Teacher) and to stop putting themselves in places of honour. This is another way of stating the theme of humility. Not that nobody is to be called father.
What do you call your father? By his first name?
>o Following traditions of men rather than the scriptures. .
Matthew 28: 16 But the eleven disciples proceeded to Galilee, to the mountain which Jesus had designated. 17 When they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some were doubtful. 18 And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 [e]Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you [f]always, even to the end of the age.”
The Apostles were faithful and we receive that Faith handed down to us, not some drug addled stream of consciousness spewed out by a traveling carnie in 1900s LA.
No, I am afraid that it is you that have posted error after error, both about the Faith and about Scripture.
Let’s try this one that’s been puzzling me:
You are traveling at the speed of light from location A to location B, say two cities 1,000 miles apart in the same time zone. If you left location A at 5 PM, what time would it be when you arrived in location B?
. Yes, the commandments of Christ in Matthew (see previous post)
Let us examine the previous posts to establish context.
To: editor-surveyor
Matthew was inspired by the Holy Spirit to protect YHVH’s elect from the pagan idolatry of the so-called catholic church. It categorically denounces all the traditions of Rome.
You must be reading a strange translation. Matthew does not denounce any traditions of Rome. It does, however describe in great detail the Creation of the Church, and its roles and responsibilities.
381 posted on Tuesday, March 13, 2012 9:16:42 AM by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
To: MarkBsnr.)
4 “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments
382 posted on Tuesday, March 13, 2012 9:26:15 AM by Country Gal [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 381 | View Replies | Report Abuse]
Now. Tell me the chapter and verse of Matthew where this quote comes from, if you would. But you cannot, can you? That's because it is not found there. More Scriptural errancy from a splinter of a splinter of a splinter of a splinter of a splinter of the rubble of the Reformation.
It is not Scripture I mock. It is those who reject the Faith that rattle on and simply get it wrong, almost every single time.
Tell me, looking through the prism of the Oneness Pentecostal, what else one may see in Matthew that is not there? Plans for nuclear submarines? The recipe for Coca Cola?
You have also not addressed the later additions to the Gospels that I have posted to you. Are you at a lost to explain them? Or do you simply not believe that they are edits? What language do you think that the NT was originally written in?
Very good. An excellent observation.
I had a conservative a capella Church of Christ pastor go off on me regarding Catholics burning in hell (fairly amusing actually and as ill-informed Scripturally as some of our friends here) and the subject got over to Latin. He informed me that if English was good enough for Jesus, it was good enough for me. He was of the opinion that the KJV was the good book that Jesus and the Apostles taught from.
Very provincial, many of these folks. I understand their point of view, though. If you spend your entire life in a cave, what concept have you of the planet Earth, the sun, the moon, or the stars?
Actually, there was not so much change over time.
There were some rather significant changes. The Comma Johanneum, the last chapter of John, most of the last chapter of Mark, and the Trinitarian baptismal formula in Matthew 28 are some. The rest are well documented.
Your quote didn’t come from me, so go play deceiver with whomever posted it to you.
You do not know the scriptures, apparently, especially Matthew. Every practice of the catholic church is condemned therein by Christ. The three that I noted are the most grievous ones, but there are many.
Why are you so blind to this?
Nothing in any of the gospels describes creation of the church; the gospels were about the life and ministry of Christ. Paul was completely responsible for presenting all the practices of the real church, and aside from the remembrance of Christ’s crucifixion, and the baptism of the new believers after they were saved, it differed little from what they had studied all of their lives in Torah.
May God bless you and may perpetual Light shine upon you.
you were not abused by the church, you were abused, I assume, by a member or members of the church. The teachings of the church are still to be followed because they are right. The actions of the individuals have NOTHING to do with the truths of Catholicism. I understand, I think, how those feeling could have an effect on your judgement but you erred in blaming the institution for the sins of a few of her members. You can't completely blame Penn State University for the acts of one of its' coaches. While they, and the church, were certainly lax in their responses....blame them for that. Try not to condemn the true church of Christ because many...or rather all of her members are sinners. Have strength, but don't ever give up.
Paul is the PATTERN for anyone after him who believes on Christ's finished work.
"Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ." 1 Cor. 11:1.
"According to the GRACE of GOD WHICH IS GIVEN UNTO ME, as a wise MASTERBUILDER, I HAVE LAID THE FOUNDATION, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ." 1 Cor. 3:10-11.
And on it goes, Scripture after Scripture in the Book of Acts and Paul's writings. It could not be any clearer what Paul's commission was, the Church the Body of Christ. Not many people want to understand that, but it doesn't change the truth of it.
You posted to me as an answer to this post, so don't be cute. I realize that that you are at a disadvantage when discussing Christianity with a Christian. But pray continue. It will prove eye-opening to the lurkers who do not know what the antiChristians will stoop to.
You do not know the scriptures, apparently, especially Matthew. Every practice of the catholic church is condemned therein by Christ. The three that I noted are the most grievous ones, but there are many.
I see. So my quotations from Matthew, with the addition of NT quotes from other books do not make any difference to you? Fascinating. A practioner of the book. Have you had training in Islam, perhaps?
Nothing in any of the gospels describes creation of the church; the gospels were about the life and ministry of Christ. Paul was completely responsible for presenting all the practices of the real church, and aside from the remembrance of Christ’s crucifixion, and the baptism of the new believers after they were saved, it differed little from what they had studied all of their lives in Torah.
That's a fascinating take on the Gospels. Matthew in detail describes the creation of the Church. Paul on the other hand, describes how the Church was first launched in the most detail. Have you become a Paulian now instead of a Christian? How does that square with your beliefs?
I've been a Catholic for 3/4 of a century and never have I ever heard a Catholic teach that anyone is going to hell....they won't even state that Hitler is in hell...that's just NEVER done. I have no idea where you heard that nonsense, but such a fact doesn't exist.
Catholics are not attacked by other Christians, you cannot attack the truth, you can merely state your opinions why you disagree, but the truth remains. Can you attack the sun because you think its too hot to play golf.....go ahead, it's still hot!!
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
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