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False Conversions 'Suicide' for Churches, Pastor Warns
Associated Baptist Press ^ | 4/11/12 | Bob Allen

Posted on 04/11/2012 12:36:50 PM PDT by marshmallow

LOUISVILLE, Ky. (ABP) – Thousands, if not millions, of church members sitting in America’s pews aren’t really born-again Christians, a Washington, D.C., pastor said April 10 to a pastors’ conference in Louisville, Ky. Mark Dever

Mark Dever, senior pastor of Capitol Hill Baptist Church in the nation’s capital, warned on the opening day of the 2012 Together for the Gospel Conference that “false conversions” are “the suicide of the local church.”

Dever was one of four religious leaders – with Albert Mohler, president of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary; C.J. Mahaney, president Sovereign Grace Ministries in Gaithersburg, Md.; and Ligon Duncan, senior minister at First Presbyterian Church in Jackson, Miss. – to convene the first Together for the Gospel event in 2006 to combat what they viewed as false teaching in many churches today. A statement of unifying doctrines includes male headship in the church and home and the need for church discipline of wayward members in local congregations.

This year’s conference, the fourth, was expected to draw 8,000 pastors and ministers April 10-12 to The Kentucky International Convention Center and KFC Yum! Center, with messages uploaded daily on the website t4g.org.

Dever described “members of the church who live worldly, carnal lives” as a “serious problem” in American Christianity.

“The problem I am pointing to is not just that of the occasional hypocrite lost in their own unrepentant sin,” Dever said. “I’m talking about systems which seem to produce false converts so much that it’s not just one man … but whole congregations that like Israel of old are typified and characterized not by holiness but by worldliness.”

Dever said that is a problem for church members who are “deceived about their own state before the Lord.”

“It’s just not right for a congregation to leave men or women made...........

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To: PeterPrinciple
When I meditate on God, I think about Jesus. He commanded '...take up your cross daily and follow Me'. He showed compassion and mercy to all -- especially sinners to the disdain of the Jewish powers that be -- without exception. Read Luke. He taught and healed all -- never turning anyone away. God cannot hate if He loves all.

When I look to the Old Testament, I see a literal sense and a spiritual sense. The spiritual sense tells of the Lord's glorification and our regeneration, His church as it exists here and in heaven. The stories of an angry, vengeful and vindictive God are exteriors for the real spiritual meaning which is consistent from Genesis through Revelation. This is what is meant when Jesus opened the Scriptures to the disciples after His resurrection for them to understand.

Finally, I have enough to worry about with my own defects to judge someone else's.

51 posted on 04/14/2012 8:15:21 AM PDT by DaveMSmith (Evil Comes from Falsity, So Share the Truth)
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To: DaveMSmith
Finally, I have enough to worry about with my own defects to judge someone else’s.

Part of our problem is we have confused judgment and correction. If we do not correct others according to Gods word nor are willing to be correcting according to that standard, the system falls apart. Thus explaining where we are. It is hard thankless work to correct others.

The other thought is that by holding others accountable, we have to hold our selves to the same standard. It is part of working out our own defects, we don't do it in isolation. When I ask others in church what they read in the Bible this past week, I make sure I can answer that question.

52 posted on 04/14/2012 10:31:24 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Lord, save me from some conservatives, they don't understand history any better than liberals.)
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To: DaveMSmith

Read Luke. He taught and healed all — never turning anyone away. God cannot hate if He loves all.


May I ask a question. Is there a time when God removes his grace and love? (death, at that point it is over, no second chances) What is the consequences for many when his grace is removed? God may not hate but he will apply perfect/hard justice.

Define love. It is NOT the emotional and “you poor thing” our world teaches. If you love someone you will speak the hard truth to them and God speaks it to us.

He taught and healed all? He came to divide, not to bring peace. Truth was/is offered to all, most decline it. Never turning anyone away? If they didn’t want to hear the truth, he did not chase them, he was always testing and knowing hearts.

I do not mean to offend you, I may have taken things out of context, not knowing your heart. Yes God is graceful and loves us but he is also a just God, that has not gone away and we need to speak that truth as well.


53 posted on 04/14/2012 11:04:15 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Lord, save me from some conservatives, they don't understand history any better than liberals.)
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To: PeterPrinciple
The Lord loves all and creates all for heaven. We choose hell by our own lusts and desires -- our loves define us. The Lord provides for those who choose this path -- adulterers are gathered together, etc. It's a choice -- no one is cast down... they follow their loves.

My message is one of repentance and self examination. The Lord offers this to all while in this world. I moved to a Christian community after I retired and look up to my neighbors by and large. I've given Bibles out to those unfamiliar with it. I don't look to condemn as people condemn themselves.

My particular branch of my faith is very specific about sodomy, divorce and adultery. In a recent sermon published in New Church Life, they spoke to homosexuality head on with 'hard truth'. I agreed with everything it said. As for pastors in the liberal branch ministering to homosexuals, fine. They have a place and path to find the truth.

54 posted on 04/15/2012 12:04:17 AM PDT by DaveMSmith (Evil Comes from Falsity, So Share the Truth)
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