[GonzoII]

Now if God simply forbids the making of graven images, then there are problems elsewhere in the Bible. First, in Exodus 25:18-21, God commands Moses to make two statues of angels (cherubim) for the top of the Ark of the Covenant. Later in Numbers 21:8-9, God commands Moses to make a bronze serpent, so that the people who were bitten by snakes could look upon it and be healed.

[Quix]

imho . . .

The evidence is abundantly clear that there are at least 2 points of hideous nonsense in the article:

1. Ellen G White is wholesale wrong about the Mark of the Beast. The best candidate at this point is the ID chip implant which . . . per the design of the elite controllers . . . will literally fulfill the prophecy—without which, citizens will be unable to buy or sell.

2. The Roman Catholic Magisterical DID alter the Written Word of God’s 10 commandments about graven images

to suit their own power mongering goals and methods.

Facts are facts and rants on either side of the facts don’t tend to alter the facts.

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

****According to this booklet, one “mark of the beast” is the alteration of God’s Commandments.****

The SDA used to claim that “the mark of the beast” was worshiping on Sunday. They “proved” it by one of the most convoluted twisting of scriptures I have ever seen.

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

***The Church allows for the veneration of images as long as the honor is directed towards Christ and His saints.***

The line between veneration of what a statue represents, and worship of the statue is a very thin line. About 45 years ago a bishop in Spain stopped the veneration of a solid gold statue of Mary as he concluded the people had crossed that line and were then worshiping the statue.

[Iscool]

The Church does NOT compel her members to kneel or pray before images. No one is allowed by the Church to pray to images since they have no ears to hear or power to help us. The Church allows for the veneration of images as long as the honor is directed towards Christ and His saints.

Completely untrue...We watch your popes kneel and pray to statues far too often on tv...

That may be an inconvenient truth for you guys but live with it...You're not fooling anyone but yourselves...

And this contradicts every Catholic I have ever spoken to...Mary and the saints DO hear you and you even post bogus reference scripture out of Revelation to prove it...

Now one must ask the question: "Does God forbid the making of statues, or does He condemn the worship of statues?" If God condemns the divine worship of statues, then the Catholic division scheme is justified since these images would be "other gods before" Him. A separate Commandment based on Deut. 5:8-10 would be redundant.

And one must answer that those who worship the statues are not necessarily the ones who made the statues...

You are not to make a statue of Mary in a bath tub for your front yard...And you are not to bow and pray to a statue of Mary, anywhere...

Now if God simply forbids the making of graven images, then there are problems elsewhere in the Bible. First, in Exodus 25:18-21, God commands Moses to make two statues of angels (cherubim) for the top of the Ark of the Covenant. Later in Numbers 21:8-9, God commands Moses to make a bronze serpent, so that the people who were bitten by snakes could look upon it and be healed.

Wrong again...When God says to do something for him, you do it...When he says don't do it for you, you don't do it...You guys can thumb your noses at God and tell him that if he can tell you to do it for him, you can decide for yourselves to do it for you...But I certainly would advise against it...

The Church allows for the veneration of the saints and their images as long as it remains honor proper for men.Really??? Do men answer prayers for you and perform miracles??? And then on the other side of your mouths you claim that this veneration to Mary is 'special' veneration apart from those of your other 'special' veneration for those your religion has claimed are special saints who are apart from the normal Catholic layman...

At least for Mary, our honor to her is in imitation of Jesus, her Son

How pitiful...Jesus never bowed to or insinuated or intimated that his mother was the Queen of Heaven...He never even called her Mother...He called her woman...

it would be interesting to know what the author of the booklet thought of Jesus Christ when He reduced God's Commandments to the Two Great Commandments in Matt. 22:36-40.Jesus did not reduce the Commandments...He gave two commandments which encompasses and fulfills ALL of the Commandments...

If you violate ANY of those Commandments, you violate the two commandments that Jesus gave...

[onedoug]

The worship of money, the “sacrament” of abortion, a college “education”, the HOPE of the king....

[Razzz42]

I don’t know why people insist on confusing the New testament with the Old testament. Jews might be following the Old testament to play it safe. In the end, your sins now can be forgiven.

[johngrace]

What it really comes down to in an essence of thought. This protest declares God can make a law but not obey it. Just amazing.

He is above even his own laws. Sorry that does not make sense. I do not care whatever theology "words" you come up with in a discussion. I have read this old hat argument. God is using this as a visual aid for believers in these scriptures. Even God knew about " A picture/image speaks a thousand words. Also in any language too. When people from other languages see it they can talk in the own language about it. This is one of many reasons the church uses images.

It is an inanimate object. He put it there for honor at times. So if you have an image of a wedding to honor you are just as guilty too according to the absolutely nooooo images crowd.

I walk into some churches with stained glass windows with biblical stories. The baptism of Christ, His birth and all the Passion of Christ. I know in the Holy Spirit within me confirming the beauty of it as I honor God.

In my book with accurate thinking you would be doing idolatry by sacrificing to the image. I have a picture of my mother. I honor her not worship her like the Good book also says "Honor your Mother or Father."

Mat 18:10 Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.

[RoadTest]

“Thus you have made the commandments of God of none effect by your traditions.” - Matthew 15:6

[redgolum]

On my phone, but there are two lists of the 10 commandments. Of interest Lutherans follow the more traditional reading like the Catholics.

[DouglasKC]

First of all there were 10 commandments so we KNOW that they were numbered somehow by God and Israel:

Exo_34:28 So he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

So they were numbered, but how?

Wikipedia cites the following:

The two texts commonly known as the Ten Commandments are given in two books of the Bible: Exodus 20:1–17 and Deuteronomy 5:4–21.
Religious groups use one of three historical divisions of Exodus 20:1–17 into ten parts[14] tabulated below:

Phi. The Philonic division is the oldest, from the writings of Philo and Josephus (first century), which labels verse 3 as number 1, verses 4–6 as number 2, and so on. Groups that generally follow this scheme include Hellenistic Jews, Greek Orthodox and Protestants except Lutherans. Most representations of the commandments include the prologue of verse 2 as either part of the first commandment or as a preface.[15][16]

Tal. The Talmudic division, from the third-century Jewish Talmud, makes verses 1–2 as the first "saying" or "declaration" (rather than "commandment"), and combines verses 3–6 as number 2.[17]

Aug. The Augustinian division (fifth century) starts with number 2 of the Talmudic division, and makes an extra commandment by dividing the prohibition on coveting into two. Both Roman Catholics and Martin Luther adopted the Augustinian method. Roman Catholics use Deuteronomy by default when quoting the Ten Commandments whereas Luther used the Exodus version.[18]

Since the Philonic division is closest to the time that Jesus Christ lived, it's very likely that he considered this the valid numbering system.

The article attempts to obfuscate the fact that they are using a numbering system that was developed over 500 years after the death of Christ.