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11 Reasons the Authority of Christianity Is Centered on St. Peter and Rome
stpeterslist ^ | December 19, 2012

Posted on 01/06/2013 3:56:49 PM PST by NYer

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To: Syncro
Sorry, but that is a false statement -- “Dominus Iesus,” says nothing about the denominations orders -- please don't repeat falsehoods

What it does say is The Churches which, while not existing in perfect communion with the Catholic Church, remain united to her by means of the closest bonds, that is, by apostolic succession and a valid Eucharist, are true particular Churches.59 Therefore, the Church of Christ is present and operative also in these Churches, even though they lack full communion with the Catholic Church -- so no statement about defective or not, please retract your repetition of an incorrect statement

381 posted on 01/08/2013 5:47:58 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: All

Graphics of Christian family tree, first example:

http://www.synaxis.org/images/tree_of_church_history.jpg


382 posted on 01/08/2013 5:49:35 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Syncro
Secondly, it does not that those baptized into the denominatons are by Baptism, incorporated in Christ and thus are in a certain communion, albeit imperfect, with the Church

"Therefore, these separated Churches and communities as such have by no means been deprived of significance and importance in the mystery of salvation. For the spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them as means of salvation"

All goes back to my point of Christians. That’s Catholics, Presbyterians, Pentecostals, Baptists, Orthodox, Copts, Lutherans, Methodists, Anglicans, Assyrians etc." -- Pope Benedict has always reiterated that those in the denominations outside orthodoxy who retain Christian teachings are Christians.

Jehovah's Witnesse and Mormons (like the one I initially replied to) are not Christian -- do you agree to that?

383 posted on 01/08/2013 5:52:01 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: All

Here is a family tree version:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_QbrZupV_Q-k/SScs7lVzm1I/AAAAAAAABpw/nVl_zkbXgv0/s400/family-tree.gif


384 posted on 01/08/2013 5:55:19 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Biggirl
Just BELIEVE is what is IMPORTANT!

Yes, that was the message I was conveying (as does scripture.)

It makes having a personal relationship with God through Jesus so easy, many miss it.

What part does belief have in salvation

 (the new birth ) ?

Jesus said in
John 3:15-16, "everyone who believes in Him ( who cleaves to Him, trusts Him and relies on Him ) may not perish
but have eternal life and
( actually ) live forever. For God so greatly loved the world that He
gave up His only begotten Son,
that whoever believes in
( trusts in, clings to, relies on ) Him
shall not perish, (come to destruction,
be lost)
but have eternal everlasting
life
".


385 posted on 01/08/2013 6:13:46 AM PST by Syncro ("So?" - Andrew Breitbart (The King of All Media RIP Feb 1, 1969 – Mar 1, 2012)
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To: Cronos

I didn’t say it did.


386 posted on 01/08/2013 6:18:20 AM PST by Syncro ("So?" - Andrew Breitbart (The King of All Media RIP Feb 1, 1969 – Mar 1, 2012)
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To: Cronos
One thing that is absolutely certain at this point is that the original language of the gospels was Hebrew, not Greek ...

Still spreading this myth. This will certainly appear in the cathecism someday under the tab "Sacred Tradition."

387 posted on 01/08/2013 6:20:14 AM PST by dartuser ("If you are ... what you were ... then you're not.")
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To: terycarl
if christians who are not Catholics are not protestants....what are they???

Christians - followers of Christ.

My identity is not a religious denomination, it is in Christ.

1 Corinthians 1:30-31 And because of him you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption, so that, as it is written, “Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord.”

Churches or denominations do not save. They are not a mediator between me and God. God does not require church membership or affiliation to be able to come to Him. We don't need church leaders to get us to God, we can come to Him ourselves.

Romans 12:4-8 4 For as in one body we have many members, and the members do not all have the same function, 5 so we, though many, are one body in Christ, and individually members one of another. 6 Having gifts that differ according to the grace given to us, let us use them: if prophecy, in proportion to our faith; 7 if service, in our serving; the one who teaches, in his teaching; 8 the one who exhorts, in his exhortation; the one who contributes, in generosity; the one who leads, with zeal; the one who does acts of mercy, with cheerfulness.

1 Corinthians 12:27 Now you are the body of Christ and individually members of it.

388 posted on 01/08/2013 6:20:50 AM PST by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: terycarl
All Catholics are born again.

Then why aren't Catholics sure they're going to heaven?

389 posted on 01/08/2013 6:22:15 AM PST by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: terycarl; Elsie

Why does the Catholic church translate from a translation?

It would be far better to translate from the original to keep as much error out as possible.


390 posted on 01/08/2013 6:24:26 AM PST by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Al Hitan; Elsie

Matthew 16:18 - http://bible.cc/matthew/16-18.htm

Jesus said that Peter was *petros*(masculine) and that on this *petra*(feminine) He would build His church.

Greek: 4074 Pétros (a masculine noun) – properly, a stone (pebble), such as a small rock found along a pathway. 4074 /Pétros (”small stone”) then stands in contrast to 4073 /pétra (”cliff, boulder,” Abbott-Smith).

“4074 (Pétros) is an isolated rock and 4073 (pétra) is a cliff” (TDNT, 3, 100). “4074 (Pétros) always means a stone . . . such as a man may throw, . . . versus 4073 (pétra), a projecting rock, cliff” (S. Zodhiates, Dict).

4073 pétra (a feminine noun) – “a mass of connected rock,” which is distinct from 4074 (Pétros) which is “a detached stone or boulder” (A-S). 4073 (pétra) is a “solid or native rock, rising up through the earth” (Souter) – a huge mass of rock (a boulder), such as a projecting cliff.

4073 (petra) is “a projecting rock, cliff (feminine noun) . . . 4074 (petros, the masculine form) however is a stone . . . such as a man might throw” (S. Zodhiates, Dict).

It’s also a strange way to word the sentence that He would call Peter a rock and say that on this I will build my church instead of *on you* as would be grammatically correct in talking to a person.

There is no support from the original Greek for the idea that Jesus meant Peter to be that which He was going to build His church on. The nouns are not the same as one is feminine and the other masculine and denote different objects.


391 posted on 01/08/2013 6:31:40 AM PST by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Cronos
Read it for yourself and see what you think
updated     7/10/2007 9:52:43 AM ET

 

Pope Benedict XVI has reasserted the universal primacy of the Roman Catholic Church, approving a document released Tuesday that says Orthodox churches were defective and that other Christian denominations were not true churches.

Pope Benedict has always reiterated that those in the denominations outside orthodoxy who retain Christian teachings are Christians.

See above.

Yes, JW's and Mormons are not Christians.

392 posted on 01/08/2013 6:39:09 AM PST by Syncro ("So?" - Andrew Breitbart (The King of All Media RIP Feb 1, 1969 – Mar 1, 2012)
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To: terycarl
What you haven't done is explain why Christ said, "And I tell you that you are Peter." Did He think Peter had forgotten his name

Peter's name was Simon Bar Jona...Christ named him Peter (petros...Rock)

According to the post I was replying to, Christ had already named him Peter before His statement in Matthew 16:18, and therefore that passage does not identify Simon Peter as the rock on which Christ would build His Church. I was pointing out a hole in that argument.

393 posted on 01/08/2013 7:22:57 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: Elsie
What you haven't done is explain why Christ said, [TEXT OMITTED BY ELSIE: "And I tell you that you are Peter." Did He think Peter had forgotten his name?]

It's YOUR strawman: YOU explain it.

It's not a "strawman" but the words of the Lord as recorded in Scripture. Are you going to answer the question or continue to evade, bob, and weave?

394 posted on 01/08/2013 7:26:30 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: metmom; Elsie
We were discussing whether Jesus gave Simon the name of Peter. Here let me help you follow along:

Elsie in 186:

    Not really. The Bible CLEARLY indicates that SIMON was ALREADY known as Peter before Jesus mentioned it.

Me in 243:

    Yes, really. Jesus gave Simon the name of Peter (Cephas/Rock).

Elsie in 284:

    And you IGNORE the scripture (#180) I posted that PROVES He didn't?

Me in 352:

    Luke 6:14 Simon, whom He also named Peter [Cephas/Rock]

395 posted on 01/08/2013 7:35:39 AM PST by Al Hitan (Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.)
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To: Heart-Rest
Now, seriously, does that sound like a God who does NOT choose quite often to communicate through imperfect, weak, frail human instruments?

You are obviously trying to rely on your human wisdom and common sense instead of seeking the truth in God's word, the scriptures...

There are 3 people in the Trinity...The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit...The Father is seated, right now in Heaven...Jesus is seated at his right hand...They do not leave Heaven...

The last one is the Holy Spirit who resides at the moment on planet earth...

Jesus is not indwelling anyone, including any Catholic priests...The one who indwells people is the Holy Spirit...And those who are indwelt with the Holy Spirit are as close to God as any priest, bishop or pope has ever been or ever will be...

Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Rom 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

And if we listen to the words of Jesus,

Mat 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Mat 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
Mat 11:30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

Jesus did not say to come to a priest...Or Mary...Or a Saint...Jesus said, Come unto me and I will give you rest...Not Mary, not a priest and not a pope...

And then God's written words say,

Heb 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Heb 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

And the throne of grace is not in a confessional asking a priest for forgiveness...And the throne of grace is not Mary...

I have a laser straight and faster than the speed of light cable connection with the one who created all that there is...And you want me to waste my time with some sinner like myself hoping he will forgive my sins???

1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1Co 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
1Co 3:18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
1Co 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
1Co 3:20 And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.
1Co 3:21 Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours;
1Co 3:22 Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are yours;
1Co 3:23 And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's.

I don't buy into your self perceived wisdom...Why, a man would be a fool to trust his eternal salvation to another man who claims to be Jesus...I could post scripture all day long refuting your human philosophy...

396 posted on 01/08/2013 8:04:24 AM PST by Iscool
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To: metmom

Amen to that...


397 posted on 01/08/2013 8:07:33 AM PST by Iscool
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To: Syncro
I did read the original text, not a headline. What you quoted is a headline. What was actually said about the Orthodox is
The Churches which, while not existing in perfect communion with the Catholic Church, remain united to her by means of the closest bonds, that is, by apostolic succession and a valid Eucharist, are true particular Churches.59 Therefore, the Church of Christ is present and operative also in these Churches, even though they lack full communion with the Catholic Church
and what was said about the other churches is
"Therefore, these separated Churches and communities as such have by no means been deprived of significance and importance in the mystery of salvation. For the spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them as means of salvation"
-- check what the Pope or Cardinal actually said rather than a headline from a news article please
398 posted on 01/08/2013 8:08:33 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: dartuser

still spreading what myth? about the original language of the gospels being Hebrew? You think that’s a myth?


399 posted on 01/08/2013 8:09:38 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Syncro

Thank you so much for your encouragements, dear brother in Christ!


400 posted on 01/08/2013 8:10:50 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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