11 Reasons the Authority of Christianity Is Centered on St. Peter and Rome

stpeterslist ^ | December 19, 2012

[CynicalBear]

>>And BTW, you might want to study the duties and activities of the OT priesthood, and then study and try to figure out what it means that the 'veil of the temple' was ripped asunder...It really is enlightening...<<

Amen, Amen, and Amen!

[Iscool]

And also, the Berean Church included GREEKS -- who wouldn't have read the scriptures as they were not of Jewish origin, they took the Gospel for what Paul and Silas preached, tradition alone, not scripture.

Oh brother!!!

1Th 5:27 I charge you by the Lord that this epistle be read unto all the holy brethren.

Written NT scriptures to the Thessalonians and ALL the holy brethren...

Col 4:16 And when this epistle is read among you, cause that it be read also in the church of the Laodiceans; and that ye likewise read the epistle from Laodicea.

Written scripture to the Collosians and Ladodiceans...

Eph 3:3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, Eph 3:4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

Written scripture to the Ephesians...

Man, invest in a bible, would ya???

[Iscool]

These philosophies and yours die out, as they are built on sand, not solid bedrock, the solid bedrock of Christ, that orthodoxy is built on

See there; you DO know that PETER was not the foundation!

Quite a confession, eh???

[dartuser]

Always obfuscation with you ... ridicule ...

He said Hebrew came FIRST, not that Matthew was ONLY in Hebrew ... he's wrong ... but it fits your purpose.

it would be good to read the Bible for one ...

I have translated most of the NT ... this is not the undergrad forum you are on ...

[Iscool]

you mean like the claims to be Baptist, then to be a Pentecostal, then Modalist -- oh, yeah, when the Modalist "phase" was on, the mask slipped with a few "Jesus is just a prophet" statements

I don't believe I ever said I was a Baptist...I never said I was a Pentecostal...I never said I was a Modalist...You accused me of being a Modalist...

Why don't you just grow up and be an adult...

[Iscool]

That verses 17 and 19 are about Peter STILL doesn't explain why Christ said, "And I tell you that you are Peter". Did He think Peter had forgotten his name?

Jesus was saying that while you Peter are a rock, solid as a rock, albeit a little rock, I will build my church on this massive mountain of a rock, ME...

[JustSayNoToNannies]

That verses 17 and 19 are about Peter STILL doesn't explain why Christ said, "And I tell you that you are Peter". Did He think Peter had forgotten his name?

Jesus was saying that while you Peter are a rock, solid as a rock, albeit a little rock, I will build my church on this massive mountain of a rock, ME...

Why was it necessary to contrast Himself with Peter - who just one verse earlier acknwledged Him as "the Christ, the Son of the living God"?

[editor-surveyor]

Your attempt to replace Yeshua with a pagan proxy you call peter is definitely agitprop.

You must know well that you are usiong corrupted scriptures, and that the entire Bible declares Yeshua to be the Rock.

End the pagan agitprop please.

[editor-surveyor]

The only part of the entire Bible that was originally written in any language but YHVH’s Hebrew is Daniel ch 4, which was written by Nebuchadnezar, who had no other language but that of Aram.

Please, no more pagan catholic agitprop.

[JustSayNoToNannies]

you'd have us believe that when Christ said, "And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church" the two clauses had nothing to do with each other, so the burden is on you to say why Christ included the first clause.

If you get away from the Greek translations that were prepared by the Nicolaitans, and read it from a direct translation from the original Hebrew to English, you can see that he told Peter that he was called a hard pebble, then the true meaning of the verse comes to light, and it is obvious that he who had been called “The Rock” for 1500 years was the head of the church.

I notice you didn't answer my question. Why is that?

I don’t answer agitprop.

A question is "agitprop"? What a cowardly evasion.

Your attempt to replace Yeshua with a pagan proxy you call peter is definitely agitprop.

You're projecting - the agitprop is your gross mischaracterization of me as "attempting to replace Yeshua with a pagan proxy I call peter."

[editor-surveyor]

Please discontinue posting pagan agitprop to me.

[JustSayNoToNannies]

Please discontinue posting pagan agitprop to me.

It's YOU who initially addressed me, in post #454.

[Natural Law]

"Paul commended the Bereans for “searching the scriptures daily to see if these things be true”. It was rather clear that he understood that the scriptures were plain enough that the Bereans and we can easily ascertain whether what those who would propose to “teach” is true to scripture or not."

Again, the errors of anti-Catholicism require an even wider web of errors to defend.

St. Paul's ministry to Thessolonia and Berea happened about 55 AD, before any of the Gospels were written. Since Thessolonia and Berea were in Greek speaking regions the Scripture they would have read were the Greek Septuagint, in contradiction to Protestant doctrine. St. Paul could not have been imploring them to read what had not yet been written.

Further, Acts 17 brings to the fore the initial teaching of the Church of WHO Jesus was, not what He taught. The teaching to both the Jews and Gentiles concentrated on Jesus being the prophesied Christ who was foretold over 450 times in the "Scripture". The Bereans verified the authenticity of Jesus as the Christ from the Septuagint and were therefore receptive to His teachings. The Thessolonians did not.

Peace be with you

[Iscool]

The English word "priest" is derived from the Greek word presbuteros, which is commonly rendered into Bible English as "elder" or "presbyter.

Absolutely is not...

ἱερεύς
hiereus
hee-er-yooce'
From G2413; a priest (literally or figuratively): - (high) priest.

πρεσβύτερος
presbuteros
pres-boo'-ter-os
Comparative of πρέσβυς presbus (elderly); older; as noun, a senior; specifically an Israelite Sanhedrist (also figuratively, member of the celestial council) or Christian “presbyter”: - elder (-est), old.

hiereus is priest as in Matt. 8:4...
presbuteros is an old man or an elder as in Luke 15:25 and Acts 15:4...

And of course 1Tim. 4:14 shows us what presbytery is...

πρεσβυτέριον
presbuterion
pres-boo-ter'-ee-on
Neuter of a presumed derivative of G4245; the order of elders, that is, (specifically) Israelite Sanhedrim or Christian “presbytery”: - (estate of) elder (-s), presbytery.

More old men...

At least you are consistant...Consistantly wrong...

[Syncro]

They would be seen as protesting towards the Catholic church, then huh? So they are Protestant.

Now you are the one categorising.

No, I was being literal

...your earlier post based on a headline is wrong.

No it wasn't.

Perhaps would like to debate it on this thread:

Skip to comments.Pope: Other Christian Denominations Not True Churches
Fox News ^ | July 10, 2007 | associated press

Posted on Monday, January 02, 2012 3:13:39 PM by RnMomof7

LORENZAGO DI CADORE, Italy — For the second time in a week, Pope Benedict XVI has corrected what he says are erroneous interpretations of the Second Vatican Council, reasserting the primacy of the Roman Catholic Church and saying other Christian communities were either defective or not true churches.

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...

[Syncro]

Christ is present as the High Priest 24/7/365 to a true believer.

Excellent point, how true!

Trying to restrict the presence of Christ to a single place and time is unscriptural and dishonest. [Amen]

>>NOTE: the English term "priest" is simply a contraction of the Greek word presbuteros (presbyster/elder)<<

Hmmm, so Catholic priests are Presbyterians? (It's all greek to me...)

[Natural Law]

"The authority of the Catholic church is not universally accepted."

What is your point, even the law of gravity is not universally accepted.

The ongoing issues on these threads are that, in the absence of an accepted teaching authority, each person's truth is what they choose it to be. The sincerity to which beliefs are held is not in question because personal perception can be the only reality to many who lack faith.

Each personal reality, regardless of how distorted it may appear to others, is none the less a reality. Psychologist Dr. Jerome Bruner developed a model of perception in which people go through the a process to form opinions in which the more they think they know about a subject, the less receptive they are to new ideas or different perspectives:

1. When one open to learning encounters an unfamiliar subject or idea they are open to different informational cues and want to learn more about the target.
2. In the second stage, as they collect more information about the target they begin to associate or categorize the target within what they already believe to be true or false, real or unreal.
3. It is at this stage the those who believe they already hold the truth the cues become less and less relevant and in their place we try to conform the object to a preconception and confirm the categorization of the target. At this stage we also actively ignore and even distort cues that violate our own initial perceptions. Our perception becomes more selective and we finally paint a consistent picture of the target conforming it to our perceived reality.

The unfortunate result is a population that believes that within their own reality they see the truths no one else can and is completely closed to dialog. This paradigm is negated by Christ's call to Christian unity and facilitated by Communion with the body of the Church and a reliance on the Magisterium over self as the foundation of faith.

Peace be with you.

[Elsie]

Did He think Peter had forgotten his name?

ya want ME to mind read GOD??

No thanks.

[Elsie]

And the prophet J. Smith came with golden plates"?

Mormonism ensnares more Catholics than it does Protestants.

[Elsie]

What a cowardly evasion.

WHY do you still beat your wife?