11 Reasons the Authority of Christianity Is Centered on St. Peter and Rome

stpeterslist ^ | December 19, 2012

[CynicalBear]

Couldn’t find anything in the New Testament that uses the Greek word for priest applied to the New Testament church leadership ey?

Progressive? Going back to the original intent is progresive? Kind of like the liberals saying the original intent of the constitution is heretical.

[CynicalBear]

>> So these folks from Judea talking sola scriptura were akin to your philosophies.<<

And we know that the RCC is getting new revelations and teaching by Christ every year so we should listen to them right? snicker

[Cronos]

Bottom line. The Bereans checked with scripture to see if even what Paul and Silas taught was true.

yup, with OT scripture

They took the Apostolic Tradition preached by Paul and Silas (handed down to them) and cross-verified with scripture

That's downright orthodox of them

instead, why does your philosophy reject the Berean way of accepting Christ's teachings handed down via the Apostolic Tradition?

Be like the Bereans

The Bereans did NOT stick to cynical personal interpretation and listened to Paul and Silas. They referred to scripture but accepted the ORAL teachings of Paul and Silas. And they believed.

The Thessalonians stuck to cynical personal interpretation and rejected the oral teachings of Paul and Silas.

[CynicalBear]

>>The Bereans did NOT stick to cynical personal interpretation and listened to Paul and Silas. They referred to scripture but accepted the ORAL teachings of Paul and Silas. And they believed.<<

But now we DO have the writings of the apostles as scripture and unlike the followers of the RCC we know that new revelation and teaching is NOT given to the RCC by Christ as it was to the apostles. Only Catholics, Mormons, Muslims and the like believe that there is new revelation.

[Cronos]

1 Tim. 5:17 17 Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.

qui bene praesunt presbyteri duplici honore digni habeantur maxime qui laborant in verbo et doctrina

οι καλως προεστωτες πρεσβυτεροι διπλης τιμης αξιουσθωσαν μαλιστα οι κοπιωντες εν λογω και διδασκαλια

or Acts 15:6 συνηχθησαν δε οι αποστολοι και οι πρεσβυτεροι ιδειν περι του λογου τουτου
conveneruntque apostoli et seniores videre de verbo hoc

And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.

The English word "priest" is derived from the Greek word presbuteros, which is commonly rendered into Bible English as "elder" or "presbyter.

take Acts 20:17-38
And from Miletus he sent to Ephesus, and called the elders of the church./ a Mileto autem mittens Ephesum vocavit maiores natu ecclesiae

And 28: Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. / adtendite vobis et universo gregi in quo vos Spiritus Sanctus posuit episcopos regere ecclesiam Dei quam adquisivit sanguine suo

So, the presbuteros (priest in English) were made overseers of the flock, to feed the Church of God..

[Cronos]

So I exhort the elders [presbyters] among you, as a fellow elder and a witness of the sufferings of Christ as well as a partaker in the glory that is to be revealed: Tend the flock of God that is your charge, not by constraint but willingly, not for shameful gain but eagerly, not as domineering over those in your charge but being examples to the flock. And when the chief Shepherd is manifested you will obtain the unfading crown of glory. (1 Pet 5:1-4)

So, buddy boy, the Cynic's interpretation negating Christ's teachings on the royal priesthood of all believers with the elders/ministerial priesthood is utterly wrong.

[dartuser]

You do realise that it was editor-surveyer was the one saying it was written only in Hebrew, right?

I'm 100% sure he never said Matthew was written only in Hebrew ...

[Cronos]

dartuser: I'm 100% sure he never said Matthew was written only in Hebrew ...

One thing that is absolutely certain at this point is that the original language of the gospels was Hebrew, not Greek.

Why don't you actually read before commenting?

I've noticed in all your posts, whether commenting on the Bible or here on other peoples comments, a lack of reading

it would be good to read the Bible for one. so many arguments on the scripture and Christianity without any knowledge or wisdom or prayerful meditation on Christ... tsk. tsk.

[Iscool]

These councils were called in response to the Cathar and Albigenesian, which were using adulterated vernacular versions of the Bible that produced doctrines that were destructive to society and the individuals.

Oh, you mean more of those groups who your religion tortured and murdered for refusing to bow down to your popes...

And it's good to see a Catholic admit that there were other versions of the scriptures out there being spread about besides the Catholic version...

But you guys always fail to mention that those adulterated versions are the ones the early church fathers mostly quoted...And that those versions became known as the Received Texts, and the Masoretic Texts, and the Majority Texts...

AND, that these are the adulterated texts that Martin Luther used to write his bible in the vernacular...

And those original Greek texts were still being copied in Greek (not Latin) up thru the 10th century and beyond until they were ultimately translated into English...

There's an awful lot you guys leave out in your stories...

[Cronos]

And note that the person your post is defending also said that anyone that fails to repent of celebrating pagan days like christmas and easter will not find eternal life.

[fabian]

should be centered on our very own Holy Spirit within... daaaa!...and the church has dropped the ball! A wonderfully wise Jew has picked it up though! fhu.com....

[Cronos]

post 132: One thing that is absolutely certain at this point is that the original language of the gospels was Hebrew, not Greek.

There are passages in the Greek translations that were copied verbatum, rather than translating them logically for meaning, proving that it was specifically Hebrew from which the Greek gospels were copied. Hebrew puns and colloquy could not otherwise have found their way into the Greek copies. Had a Jewish author written them in Greek, they would certainly not have made such a stupid mistake.

Dart-user: I'm 100% sure he never said Matthew was written only in Hebrew ..

Are you also 100% certain of the other erroneous beliefs you have?

[Cronos]

Oh, you mean more of those groups who your

Still can't get over the defeats of the Reconquista and the Crusades, eh? tsk. tsk...

[Cronos]

iscool: these are the adulterated texts that Martin Luther used to write his bible in the vernacular...

Typical. Didn't another Moslem website go on about how they reject Christianity and the Bible as "adulterated texts"?

[CynicalBear]

>>The English word "priest" is derived from the Greek word presbuteros, which is commonly rendered into Bible English as "elder" or "presbyter.<<

Not this again. So it’s “commonly rendered into Bible English as “elder” or “presbyter” but the Catholics would prefer the word priest so they just use that right? Let’s look at the interpretation of “presbuteros”.

Presbuteros
Definition: elder, usually used as subst.; an elder, a member of the Sanhedrin, an elder of a Christian assembly.

Now let’s look at the word used in the New Testament for priest.

Hebrews 4:14 Therefore, since we have a great high priest (archierea – only used for Christ in the New Testament) who has gone through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to the faith we profess.

1 Peter 2:5 you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood (hierateuma – used for all believers), offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

I can’t seem to find any reference in the New Testament of any Church leader being referred to as a priest. They are referred to as elders/presbuteros (an elder is the older of two people). The term presbuteros is used 67 times in the New Testament.

Matthew 13
Mark 7
Luke 5
John 1
Acts 18
1 Timothy 4
Titus 1
Hebrews 1
James 1
1 Peter 2
2 John 1
3 John 1
Revelation 12
Now, the Greek word for priest are:

Kaiaphas – used for an Israelite High Priest
Hiereus - a priest, one who offers sacrifice to a god (in Jewish and pagan religions; of Christians only met.).

I still haven’t found a Greek word that means priest applied to the leadership in the New Testament church. I can find the leadership of the Jews and Pagans referred to as priests but not the leadership of the New Testament church.

So, once again, without using entomology could you please find from the New Testament where leadership in the church is called a priest.

[CynicalBear]

>>So I exhort the elders [presbyters] among you, as a fellow elder<<

No Greek word there meaning priest. Only through entomology does the RCC get to the use of priest. The only leadership positions in the New Testament called priest is Christ, the leaders of the Jewish religion, and Pagan leadership. So which is it?

“buddy boy” ey? You really need to calm down and read scripture instead of RCC propaganda.

[CynicalBear]

Oh my. Accusing another freeper of lying?

[CynicalBear]

>> The English word "priest" is derived from the Greek word presbuteros,<<

Only through entomology which would make all early 1900’s people homosexuals. I think not.

[Iscool]

And this is apparent in the roles of the elders (Presbuteros), bishops etc. in the New Testament -- NOTE: the English term "priest" is simply a contraction of the Greek word presbuteros (presbyster/elder) -- these have the responsibility of teaching, governing, and providing the sacraments in a given congregation (1 Tim. 5:17; Jas. 5:14–15).

It certainly is not...That would be like you saying that in the language of the Catholics, a Chevy Corvair is the simple contraction of the words 'ice cream cone'...

It's not amazing that your religion makes these things up, but what's amazing is that some of you people actually seem to fall for it...

And BTW, you might want to study the duties and activities of the OT priesthood, and then study and try to figure out what it means that the 'veil of the temple' was ripped asunder...It really is enlightening...