Posted on 10/07/2013 5:36:12 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
Meet "Kosher Frank"
This story needs no commentary because it speaks for itself. Jorge Bergoglio is not a Catholic nor a Pope - but an apostate. What we are seeing here are the next steps in the amalgamation of all religions into one, the prelude to the Antichrist.
[Taken from Vatican Insider, 9/29/13. Coloring added for emphasis.] [But no coloring on FR]
"Pope Francis and Rabbi Skorka make history in the Vatican" by Gerard O'Connell, Rome
... “We hold to different traditions, but we are creating a dialogue that has not existed for centuries. Both of us believe that God has something to do with our friendship and with what we are doing. There are too many coincidences for it all to be mere chance”, said Skorka, 63, who is Rector of the Latin American Rabbinic Seminary. “We come together without burying our identities. I spoke to him about evangelization, and he stated emphatically that the Catholic Church cannot engage in proselytism”, he said.
“We are not looking for a photo opportunity, but we want what we are doing to trigger a re-thinking about things. Ours is not a relation of ‘tea and sympathy’; that is not my way, and it is not Bergoglio’s way. We want to move ahead by actions, we must advance by building bridges, through a living dialogue; not a dialogue of words, but a dialogue of actions that reflect our commitment”, he stated.
Does it matter? Whichever side would be the "wrong" one, and being there is enough "deposit of double-talk" to quote mine from --- it can be proven you are wrong.
Feel the love (you heretic). Oh, and come home, too. We've missed you while we've bashed you, calling you a liar up one side and down the other...
I’ve found it’s helpful to say, “I don’t understand what you mean.”
Note a few ingredients you might not expect: white wine and radishes. The white wine may be traded in for more broth (but I wouldn't!); for the radishes (which I have abundantly in my garden) you may substitute turnips (in my case, where radishes abound, turnips superabound).
German Potato Soup - 3 - 4 servings
1 cup diced onion (1 small)
1 clove garlic
2 T. olive oil
3 1/2 cups diced potatoes
(I scrub and score rather than peel)
1 cup white wine
1 carton (26 oz) chicken broth
1 1/2 cup thinly sliced radishes
3/4 cup evaporated milk
Chicken bouillon granules, to taste
Freshly ground pepper, to taste
Croutons and sliced sausage for garnish
(Shredded cheddar if you wish)
Sauté the onion in oil in a soup pot until translucent. Add potatoes, cook for a few minutes just to coat with oil and warm, add the garlic and sauté for 30 seconds. Add white wine and cook, stirring until the wine is almost gone. Add the broth and simmer until the potatoes are soft. While the potatoes are cooking, peel the radishes (I just scrub and score them) ) and cut into thin slices. Add to the potatoes and cook for about 5 minutes.
At this point, everything should be soft. Puree half, and leave half chunky. Add evap. milk, and pepper to taste. Add sliced sausage and heat through, serve hot with homemade buttered croutons.
Quick answer: No; unless they contradict perennial Church teaching. And much of VC II does.
Before you told us to "Pay no attention to any Popes after Pope Pius XII. Pay no attention to the Second Vatican council," but later you stated "I have rejected neither" \V2 or Pope Francis.] Now it is much of V2 that is to be rejected.
In any case, what is to be rejected is subject to different interpretations, using fallible human reasoning, which RCs tell us cannot give assurance, thus RCs promote the magisterium as the solution to different interpretations and for assurance.
Most seem to hold that that the differences of V2 that you reject are "clarifications" and are now the standard, while you must also judge what is binding teaching in encyclicals and bulls, etc., and even the CCC, and which magisterial level multitudes of teachings fall under, and thus what level of submission is required.
:-)
“Beloved: sanctify Christ in your hearts. Always be ready to give an explanation for the reason of your hope, but do it with gentleness and reverence.”
“He who loves his brother abides in the light.”
I've never understood the abused wife syndrome, where she keeps going back to the man who beats her.
I've experienced enough of the loving arms of the Catholic church since I was a kid. It was no different then when I was a Catholic than it is now.
I'll pass, thankyouverymuch.
The following has been a great help to me:
“Respect everyone
Be sensitive to others—they are your brothers and sisters
Try to find something good, even in the worst circumstances
Do not cast a slur on anyone
Repair any harm resulting from an uttered word
Do not provoke strife between people
Speak to everyone in the language of love
Do not vex others
Reassure others
Forgive everything
Do not hold grudges
Always be the first to extend your hand as a sign of reconciliation
Act always to your neighbors advantage
Never give a thought to what others owe you, but what you owe them
Do good things to others, as you should like them done to you
Be actively compassionate in times of suffering
Be quick to offer consolation, counsel, assistance and kindness
Share your goods
Pray for everyone.”
Written by Cardinal Stefan Wyszynski, a Polish priest who was imprisoned and suffered at the hands of the Polish Communists
I’m told your brother is the hardest to love, because he’s in your room, leaving his laundry all over the place, taking your fan, and reeking of an unfashionable body-wash fragrance.
(My teenagers have been having a sub-primate territorial dispute worthy of black bears in the mating season.)
When the victims of persecution speak, that gets extra attention from me!
Who’s on first?
Sheesh, there is NO pinning down what Catholicism teaches.
First they’re infallible, except when they’re not.
Then it’s only what’s taught ex cathedra, except when it’s not.
Then the Church wrote the Bible and uses it to give itself authority, but Tradition supersedes it.
They’ve raised hair splitting to the finest art on earth.
The Pharisees were amateurs compared to the Catholic church.
:-)
Memories
I suspect you mean Moses since I seriously doubt anyone heard anything from God the Father for a great long while.
The Jews in Jesus' time also had the same issue, in questioning the authority and authenticity (if you will) of the Messiah's message. Some of them believed. Many did not citing the very reason you're citing.
The Messiah asked a very strange but interesting discussion to the Jews of His day who actually believed in Him:
Joh 8:32 and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."
Joh 8:33 They answered him, "We are offspring of Abraham and have never been enslaved to anyone. How is it that you say, 'You will become free'?"
Joh 8:34 Jesus answered them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who practices sin is a slave to sin.
Joh 8:35 The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever.
Joh 8:36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.
Joh 8:37 I know that you are offspring of Abraham; yet you seek to kill me because my word finds no place in you.
Joh 8:38 I speak of what I have seen with my Father, and you do what you have heard from your father."
Joh 8:39 They answered him, "Abraham is our father." Jesus said to them, "If you were Abraham's children, you would be doing the works Abraham did,
Joh 8:40 but now you seek to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. This is not what Abraham did.
Joh 8:41 You are doing the works your father did." They said to him, "We were not born of sexual immorality. We have one Father—even God."
Joh 8:42 Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and I am here. I came not of my own accord, but he sent me.
Joh 8:43 Why do you not understand what I say? It is because you cannot bear to hear my word.
Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
Joh 8:45 But because I tell the truth, you do not believe me.
If you want authenticity you need only look into your own human heart. Only the Son can set one free.
This is the dilemma of Catholics who are actually more interested in the truth. If they truly examine Catholic teaching, and not try to gloss over the inconsistencies, it is clear that there have been significant changes to doctrine and positions. Ebb Tide is right. The Catholic Church is heading to universalism.
Yep, a one world religion. It’s easy to watch that happen in the RCC. The whole thing about not needing to know Christ for salvation is telling. Why they even include the Muslims.
# 841 The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. “The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.”[330]
Look at this statement from Mother Teresa.
"If in coming face to face with God we accept Him in our lives, then we are converting. We become a better Hindu, a better Muslim, a better Catholic, a better whatever we are. ... What God is in your mind you must accept" (from Mother Teresa: Her People and Her Work , by Desmond Doig, p. 156, as quoted by Dave Hunt, Global Peace and the Rise of Antichrist , p. 149).
It’s not difficult at all to see how ready they are to incorporate all beliefs.
Who’s on first?
Jesus Christ Our Lord.
Sheesh, there is NO pinning down what Catholicism teaches.
..And NOW with Pinnability: the online searchable edition of the CATHOLIC CATECHISM!!
First they’re infallible, except when they’re not.
Not quite kosher to disdain Catholicism for its allegedly unlimited claim of infallibility, and then disdain it because it's, in fact, sharply limited.
Then it’s only what’s taught ex cathedra, except when it’s not.
A statement which impresses only those who don't know jack chick about the Catechism.
Then the Church wrote the Bible and uses it to give itself authority, but Tradition supersedes it.
A statement which impresses only those who don't know that Scripture is Tradition, the Written Tradition, and can't be "superceded" by it.
They’ve raised hair splitting to the finest art on earth.
Hey!! You talkin' about my split ends???!
The Pharisees were amateurs compared to the Catholic church.
History bit: The Pharisees were the forerunner of Rabbinical Judaism. The Apostles and their co-workers for the Gospel --- the episcopoi, presbyteroi, and diakonoi --- were the forerunners of Catholicism.
I'll be back soon! Study Hard!
Romans 11:1-6 I ask, then, has God rejected his people? By no means! For I myself am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, a member of the tribe of Benjamin. God has not rejected his people whom he foreknew. Do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he appeals to God against Israel? “Lord, they have killed your prophets, they have demolished your altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life.” But what is God's reply to him? “I have kept for myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.” So too at the present time there is a remnant, chosen by grace. But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace.
Romans 11:25-32 Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written,
“The Deliverer will come from Zion, he will banish ungodliness from Jacob”; “and this will be my covenant with them when I take away their sins.”
As regards the gospel, they are enemies for your sake. But as regards election, they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers. For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. For just as you were at one time disobedient to God but now have received mercy because of their disobedience, so they too have now been disobedient in order that by the mercy shown to you they also may now receive mercy. For God has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all.
God is not done with Israel. He does NOT break His promises.
Well, it really kinda depends on which Catholic you’re talking to at the moment what you’re told about what the Catholic church believes and teaches.
I think you are all misreading, or deliberately misinterpreting, what I said.
It’s not as if God made a Covenant with the Jews, and then along came Jesus a couple of thousand years later and everything changed. Jesus was there from the beginning, at the Creation and before, as the Second Person of the Trinity. He and the Holy Spirit were part of the deal God made with the Jews, although the Jews didn’t realize it.
Of course, Jesus invited and invites all Jews to become Christians. In the early days of the Church, it was thought that the Jews would fade away. But they haven’t, not for two thousand years. Christianity was the fulfillment of Jewish prophecy, but it did not SUPERSEDE or REPLACE Judaism, evidently, since the Jews are still with us.
That is a mystery. But God does not force anyone to convert; He invites them.
Pope Francis was being friendly with the Rabbi of Rome. For God’s own reasons, there are still faithful Jews who observe the Old Covenant. And God declared repeatedly that that Covenant was “eternal,” or “forever” (depending on the translation).
Pope Francis would welcome the Rabbi to the Church, and the Rabbi knows that. But he isn’t going to rudely proselytize him at a friendly meeting, still less tell him that he is damned unless he converts—which isn’t true.
According to Catholic teaching, no one can be saved without the grace of Jesus. But that grace can be channeled to virtuous pagans or to faithful Jews.
If I were a Jew and thought as I do, then I would certainly convert—as I once converted from Episcopal to Catholic. But I do not argue that all Jews are damned unless they go to some Evangelical church or tent and loudly declare that they have found Christ.
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