Questions for "Bible Christians" that they can't answer - Part 2

Catholic Convert ^ | October 27, 2013 | David Palm and Steve Ray

[metmom]

No babies are killed by barrier methods of contraception either.

If preventing conception is so evil that the Catholic church teaches that Onan was killed by God for it, where does that leave those who practice NFP?

The hypocrisy of the Catholic church is staggering in their use of double standards.

[metmom]

I’m not sure they would know how to process “independent”.

They can't because they are not permitted to think for themselves.

[narses]

[narses]

Where is there sin in abstention?

[rollo tomasi]

"Where do you get this misinformation?"

I would like to know as well. There is not a lot of primary sources on Constantine. Eusebius is probably the nearest one who showed some (*Some* rather loosely) form of objectivity. The others like Aurelius Victor wrote about secular happenings. The rest were one-sided secondary propaganda pieces criticizing or praising Constantine's reign (Written long after he died btw).

[narses]

There were only 12 Apostles (not counting Judas who never was given that office)

Apostle Timothy was selected and appointed how?

[narses]

[narses]

[metmom]

it is through the efforts of the Catholic Church that you even know what the scriptures are...

Who needs the Holy Spirit when we have the Catholic church, eh?

[ronnietherocket3]

Then what happened to the real Church? Did the gates of hell prevail against it?

I find it absolutely fascinating that God waited until Christianity had overrun Europe and developed a method to propagate Scripture quickly and accurately to restart the Church. Further he didn't do it in any of the countries exploring the world, Spain, Portugal, France and England (The Anglican communion accepts Saints). He started the New Church in a country completely fragmented into feuding principalities that proceeded to burn to the ground; nor did he found it in the dominant part, Austria.

The Muslim view of this actually makes more sense than the Protestant view.

[metmom]

NFP is not about abstention. It’s about contraception. That thing that the Catholic church condemns except when using the RCC approved method.

Kind of like annulment being Church sanctioned divorce.

The Catholic church always has a way out for its members to engage in some kind of sin that condemns when anyone else does it.

[narses]

NFP is not about abstention.

Wrong.

It’s about contraception.

Wrong.

[narses]

“Jesus said to them again, ‘Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.’ And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, ‘Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.’ “

[editor-surveyor]

Timothy was not an Apostle.

He was Paul’s chief disciple, but the office of Apostle ended upon John’s death.

The Revelation makes it clear that there are only 12 apostles.

[terycarl]

A problem with contraception. It is killing or preventing the formation of a baby. It is murder too.

I believe that it is called onanism...the sin of Onan....his seed spilled on the ground.

[narses]

Luther complained about the Book of Revelation: “to my mind it bears upon it no marks of an apostolic or prophetic character... Everyone may form his own judgment of this book; as for myself, I feel an aversion to it, and to me this is sufficient reason for rejecting it.” (Sammtliche Werke, 63, pp. 169-170,

[editor-surveyor]

I’m not too worried about what Luther said.

He had his good days and his bad ones.

[redleghunter]

Dr. Gary you may be interested in this thread.

[terycarl]

Not unlike the Douay-Rheims then.

the douay Rheims version of the bible is error free......mine has the Imprimatur of Bernardus Cardinalis Griffin....enough for me