Is Jesus Christ God?

Christian Answers ^ | 2012 | Various

[DouglasKC]

“The Christian faith has not been tried and found wanting. It has rather been found difficult and left untried.” —Chesterton

I am the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending.The story of Jesus is either the greatest event in history or the cruelest hoax. If it is a hoax, then the whole of the Christian message crumbles together with the hopes of those multitudes of lives built on his name. The apostle Paul said:

“And if Christ is not risen, then our preaching is empty and your faith is also empty. Yes, and we are found false witnesses of God, because we have testified of God that He raised up Christ, whom He did not raise up; if in fact the dead do not rise. For if the dead do not rise, then Christ is not risen. And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins! Then also those who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men the most pitiable.” -1 Corinthians 15:14-19 (NKJV)

But if the story is true, then this world has been hit with extraordinary news of earth-shaking consequences. Have you taken the trouble to decide which it is?

In a matter this weighty, it is in your interest to explore the truth or falsity of Christ's claims. Amazingly however, many people who don't believe have never bothered to explore the evidence in support of Jesus,[1] but to the contrary, often run away from it. At the same time, many Christians themselves are not sure, at bottom, whether the claims of their faith are solid. Is the Christian claim a hoax? Is it just wishful thinking? Or is it actually true?

[CynicalBear]

>>I know of no trinitarian teaching that calls Jesus “God the Father”, God the Son? Yes, but never “God the Father”. Thus this verse cannot be called upon for support to the trinity doctrine.<<

I simply gave you the Greek words used in the text. As I indicated the Hebrew word used for identification of Jesus is the exact word used to identify the Father. (Yeah I realized when you mentioned it that I had mistyped Greek instead of Hebrew – habits die hard I quess)

>>Why would Jesus be called a “Father”<<

Are they not one God?

>>Because he was a life giver as he said his Father had life in Himself he had granted Jesus to have life in himself. (John 5:21,26)<<

Jesus was both fully man and fully God. All to often people don’t differentiate between the two functions.

[metmom]

I’m sure.

I’m actually used to not getting answers to questions.

I’m usually surprised when I *DO* get one.

[tedw]

No he didnt state He is the Father.

He stated “He and the the Father are one”

That is not the same thing and it has been explained earlier in the thread BUT YOU WILL NOT SEE.

NO MAN HAS SEEN GOD.

[CynicalBear]

>> Therefore,it is impossible for Jesus to have been God as he was seen by many.<<

What part of “He was fully man” do you not understand. People saw the “man” Jesus. They didn’t physically see the “God” Jesus.

[tedw]

In John 1:18, the apostle wrote: “No one has seen God at any time.” In Exodus 33:20 God said to Moses: “You cannot see My face; for no man can see Me and live.”

Plenty of people saw Jesus’s face.

But what is the use? You will not see!!

[CynicalBear]

Go back to Isaiah and see again what we are to call Jesus. I’ve posted it several times. Part of that was “almighty God”.

[GarySpFc]

I use several different types of translations, and I also consult the original texts.

[redleghunter]

This thread is entering the weird zone.

[CynicalBear]

That’s a fact. I have never seen such blatant denial of clear teaching in scripture. The meaning of “lest there come a falling away first” is becoming clear.

[editor-surveyor]

>> The meaning of “lest there come a falling away first” is becoming clear. <<

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The meaning is contained in the same verse in which it is invoked, “and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition.”

[Kevmo]

“making it personal”

[Religion Moderator]

Do not make this thread "about" other Freepers. That is a form of "making it personal."

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

[Kevmo]

“making it personal”

[Kevmo]

Wait... whut?

What are you saying? It doesn’t make any sense.

[Kevmo]

So you are saying you don’t have to believe in the Trinity to be saved.
***That would be a side note to this thread. Open up a thread if you want to examine such a religious matter. Go ahead and invite me and I will answer honestly.

[Kevmo]

There is NOT a huge pile of evidence that Jesus claimed to be God.
***SO, someone like you can look at post #294 as put to you and can say such a thing only by being willfully blind.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3104329/posts?page=294#294

Any reasonable person confronted with such a volume of historical evidence would realize that they have to throw out all of recorded history in order to accommodate your irrational claim.

[CynicalBear]

And still you insist on intruding into my posts.

[metmom]

Colossians 2:9 For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily,

[metmom]

Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.