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To: GonzoII

Then there is the issue of the commandment to observe THE (not “a”) Sabbath. Extensive research by Samuele R. Bacchiocchi and published by Pope Gregorian University in his book From Sabbath to Sunday, shows that the Roman Church demonstrated its authority by moving the commanded Day of Rest from the seventh day of the week to the first. But he also shows this was done on cultural and political authority, but not on any Scriptural authority.

In a lecture he gave shortly before his death, Dr. Bacchiocchi noted that the vast majority of Christians today do not even observe the Commandment in that they have changed the concept of a Day of Rest into an hour of fellowship, and even then it is easy to give themselves a psss and not even observe that, at least when important personal or family business intrudes.

If we can ask what happened to the second Commandment, we should also ask what happened to the fourth one as well, and not only for Catholics but for everyone who attends a Sunday-keeping church.


5 posted on 02/12/2014 7:49:33 AM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: theBuckwheat
"If we can ask what happened to the second Commandment, we should also ask what happened to the fourth one as well, and not only for Catholics but for everyone who attends a Sunday-keeping church. "

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If I may ask, are you a Seventh-day Adventist?

For another book that discusses that question Bacchiocchi raised (as well as the question concerning the commandment against worshiping statues, and many other related questions), I urge you to read "Where is That in the Bible?" by Patrick Madrid

17 posted on 02/12/2014 8:32:15 AM PST by Heart-Rest (Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. Gal 6:7)
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***Extensive research by Samuele R. Bacchiocchi***

A member of the Seventh Day Adventist church. While appearing on several SDA religious TV broadcasts, his SDA membership was not mentioned, making it look like he was just a scholar who found out the Seventh Day doctrine by his own personal study, and not that he had been raised in it from birth.


48 posted on 02/12/2014 6:06:16 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: theBuckwheat

Or a Saturday service each week too...that deserved a whoa when I started asking, seeking and knocking..

I think the fact the Gregorian calendar (namesake pope gregory) is the latest attempt by man to calculate time and not use what God gave us in Scripture and in His sky, is a devious yet seemingly harmless design.

Scripture says times and laws would be changed if they could.. they were by man or by powers and principalities..
Almost the entire religious and secular world follows after one calendar.. the UN, the US, Europe, Vatican, Asia, Israel in part, some Muslim nations....
A motley crew to be sure.. and if anyone has guessed about who revelation is speaking of, some of those powers would be a good guess..

God’s calendar uses both the sun and the moon, just as Scripture tells us.
Scriptures tells us what a year is, what a month is, what a week is, what a day is..

And the Gregorian calendar, a solar only based calendar, have different definitions we all grew up learning that are different than those in Scripture.

Makes the catholic/protestant feud seem insignificant when we all use(d) the same conterfeitting of time for worship. And those who just choose a different day in that same Gregorian are under the same counterfeiting..

The appointed times, feasts, Sabbaths can only be found with His calendar.
And it isnt on the smart phones or a wall calendar.

And I know no church who will hold a sabbath service on a Gregorian Thursday if that is the Sabbath day for any of God’s months.
Most people with five day work week is working that day anyways..

We all need more grace and mercy than we can even imagine when His calendar is revealed to a believer.. not an easy calendar for one to follow if the world system holds what a believer deems important or not worth losing.

If the calendar is revealed to one like it was me, there is a clear choice.

Jobs, church culture, man’s holy days, all those are things can be in conflict with God’s calendar, and can make it a real choice.

Come out of her may be just that call in revelation. How attached we are to the world just by using their timekeeping, which counterfeits God’s timekeeping, and then counterfeits worship to Him.
I don’t think that is overstating it at all.

Certainly turns the Saturday/Sunday debate on its ear.. or at least starts the debate with a false, counterfeit premise that the whole world has followed after..


57 posted on 02/14/2014 11:26:58 AM PST by delchiante
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