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How Do we Know the Gospels are Historical?
http://www.strangenotions.com ^ | Fr. Dwight Longenecker

Posted on 03/11/2014 6:32:04 PM PDT by NKP_Vet

Among Catholics and atheists, is easy to exchange convinced assertions: “The gospels are 100% God’s holy Word and every bit is historically accurate!” or “The gospels are fairy tales!” However there is a discipline called “Biblical scholarship” in which scholars do some very interesting work determining just which parts of the gospels they think are reliable and which they think are not. Their conclusions are, of course, debated. That’s what scholars do. Their work is fascinating and it is worth taking some time to look at just a smidgen of their methodology and conclusions.

Bible scholars are most interested in trying to determine whether the original gospels record eyewitness accounts, and whether those original versions have been transmitted accurately. To do this scholars consider several factors: 1) authorship and date of composition, 2) intention and genre, 3) gospel sources and oral tradition, 4) textual criticism, 5) historical authenticity of specific sayings and narrative events.

One of the difficult aspects for modern people to understand is just what kind of document the gospels are. Everyone can admit that they are not written as purely historical documents, but neither are they simply fabulous fables, myths, or fairy tales. In continuity with the Old Testament, and consistent with their Jewish origins, we have documents which are presented as history and have plenty of historically verifiable details, but which also have supernatural and otherworldly elements to them

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TOPICS: Apologetics; History; Moral Issues; Theology
KEYWORDS: apologetics; bible; historicity; historicityofchrist; historicityofjesus
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To: fabian

Go start a compound somewhere.


221 posted on 03/14/2014 5:44:01 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: CynicalBear

I am free and happy, dependent on no one other than the Holy spirit. I am not the one in a cult, you apostate Christians are! wow...


222 posted on 03/14/2014 5:49:02 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: fabian; CynicalBear

The Holy Spirit this, and the Holy Spirit that.

Only about the Holy Spirit and nothing about Jesus that the Holy Spirit is supposed to point to.

Jesus said that if HE be lifted up, He would draw all men to Himself. Not if the Holy Spirit were lifted up.

Whatever spirit you are listening to isn’t the Holy Spirit because it isn’t lifting up Jesus.


223 posted on 03/14/2014 6:27:47 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: metmom; fabian

From the video he listed the link to he denies that Jesus is God. It’s totally “another gospel” that he preaches.


224 posted on 03/14/2014 6:36:14 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: CynicalBear

you are the one that denies that Jesus is the Son, not God...you have bought into the cult of apostasy...big time.


225 posted on 03/14/2014 6:37:51 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: fabian

Do you not deny in your video that Jesus is God?


226 posted on 03/14/2014 6:42:13 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: CynicalBear; metmom; fabian; Elsie; Tennessee Nana; Colofornian; Greetings_Puny_Humans; Bulwyf; ...
Back to the Roy Masters cult stuff ey? That was pretty well discussed here. And daniel1212 had some references to different comments of interest here and here.

Indeed, by Gods grace. It is good you sabed them. I never realized how far out Masters was till i did more research. Yet sadly the devotee went beyond RCs in denying the evidence was real!

It is more New Age than Mormonism. If anyone want to know more the links to much of it are still there,thank God.

227 posted on 03/14/2014 8:02:19 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: CynicalBear
We see your kind on a rather regular basis around here always knowing some better way than the apostles taught.

It certainly sounds like Gnosticism to me. It sounds like Fabian has more faith in Roy Masters than Jesus Christ and the Apostle John. He has nothing to offer us or anyone else, and so kick the dust off your feet, let him go, and offer him silence. He has rejected Christ.

228 posted on 03/14/2014 9:28:45 PM PDT by GarySpFc (We are saved by the precious blood of the God-man.)
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To: CynicalBear; metmom; fabian
From the video he listed the link to he denies that Jesus is God. It’s totally “another gospel” that he preaches.

Sorry, Fabian, you are a deceived and lost man. You claimed in your video:

"They (the church leaders) have taught by the devil himself in their minds that Jesus is God, when he clearly says he is not. And so much Scripture that shows that. They made Jesus as a god. They made the Bible a god. I called it Bible idolatry, where it takes preeminence over the Holy Spirit. NO! Your holy spirit and intuition is what is the most important thing... and Scripture testifies to that... When you have the same Holy Spirit that is activated in yourself you can also write with very similar type of insights - simple. So to memorize, to learn the Bible is making the Bible a god."

Dude...if this is the kind of stuff Roy Masters is brainwashing you with, all I can say is run away as fast as you can and actually pick up a Bible to read what REAL men of God, who were carried along by THE Holy Spirit (the third person of the Triune Godhead), wrote as HE told them what to say. One of the very FIRST truths you will find is that Jesus IS Almighty God in the flesh. He created all things, He is before all things, without Him, NOTHING was made that was made and by HIM all things consist (are held together). Flee the satanic lie that Jesus wasn't God. Jesus said if you do not believe He is who He said He is, you will die in your sins. I will pray for you that the blinders, like scales, be removed from your spiritual eyes and you come to saving faith in Jesus Christ.

My soul faints with longing for your salvation, but I have put my hope in your word. (Psalm 119:81)

But there is forgiveness with You, That You may be feared. I wait for the LORD, my soul does wait, And in His word do I hope. (Psalm 130:4,5)

"Sanctify them in the truth; Your word is truth. (John 17:17)

229 posted on 03/14/2014 9:49:06 PM PDT by boatbums (Simul justis et peccator.)
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To: fabian

I could not watch that junk. You are being deceived and are deceiving others.


230 posted on 03/14/2014 10:19:43 PM PDT by MamaB
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To: fabian

You are wrong. My pastor teaches from the Bible, word by word. The Bible is His Words.


231 posted on 03/14/2014 10:22:18 PM PDT by MamaB
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To: fabian
Don’t be coy...

Don't be a FAKE leader. Why should I 'bother' (good word BTW) to go to the website if YOU cannot give reason to do so?

You, my FRiend, are a FOLLOWER - NOT a 'leader'.

232 posted on 03/15/2014 4:46:50 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: fabian
..satan has done a masterful job of convincing church leadership to misrepresent Jesus and true Christianity

Then it behooves you to REPRESENT it; instead of merely continuing to whine about it.

233 posted on 03/15/2014 4:48:07 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: fabian
They just do go on and on ...

I'll have to agree with you here.

Roy's followers do just go on and on and on and on and on and on and on ...

234 posted on 03/15/2014 4:49:51 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: fabian
I know you probably better than you know yourself.

Says Fabian; smugly.

235 posted on 03/15/2014 4:50:39 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: CynicalBear; fabian
Go start a compound somewhere.

Sorry; but followers never START anything - they just try to jump onto something a TRUE leader has started.

236 posted on 03/15/2014 4:52:06 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: fabian
I am free and happy, dependent on no one other than the Holy spirit.

It appears that restornu IS still around!!!

237 posted on 03/15/2014 4:52:52 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: fabian
I am free and happy, dependent on no one other than the Holy spirit.

I don't need no steekin' printed words!!

I got voices in my head!

238 posted on 03/15/2014 4:53:31 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom; Tennessee Nana

(He’s 1/3 of the way to...)


239 posted on 03/15/2014 4:54:07 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: GarySpFc

Darned (can I say DAMNED in the religion area of FR?) good advice!


240 posted on 03/15/2014 4:55:12 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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