Posted on 04/25/2014 12:40:56 PM PDT by ebb tide
What if, what if, what if. I’ve wasted enough time on you. There are none so blind as those who will not see. I know it’s hard for you to admit that you’re wrong. Good night, sweet dreams.
Out of the blue, you’ve turned a phone call into the Sacrament of Confession.
Yet, you claim a priest cannot counter the penitent if she’s lying about receiving absolution to continue in adultery.
How often do you call in to confess your sins?
I think you should clarify what reference you are making in this post to anything that I said in my post to you.
Beautifully stated response - thanks for the time and effort to get into such detail.
Thank you for calling my attention to this post (#30). Yes, it is beautifully stated.
An added note; the Summa of St. Thomas Aquinas is a treasure.
I don’t want to make any presumptions about the meaning of this post.
However, I find some of your posts to be very unfortunate. I feel a great sadness reading about our Pope being “sneaky”, and the many other accusations made against him that I’ve read on this forum...from Catholics, no less.
In a court of civil law, some of the things Pope Francis has been accused of by certain posters on this forum would be considered slander (that which is written for public consumption). The only qualifier here is that the person writing the accusations is doing so under a “screen” name, therefore enjoying the privilege of anonymity. There is one problem, though, with that assumed anonymity; nothing is anonymous to our Heavenly Father, and to his Divine Son who told us that “all that is hidden will be revealed.” God has full knowledge of hearts (both those of the accused and the accuser) and nothing is hidden from Him.
Uncharitable thoughts are apparent to Him-—those uncharitable thoughts that spring from a lack of charity and form the basis for rash judgments and those rash judgments spring from a lack of certain knowledge about the inner movements of the mind and heart of another person.
That is what is called rash judgment and this is what St. Jean Vianney had to say about rash judgment:
“”The reason for so many rash judgments is that they are considered to be of little importance; nevertheless, if it is a question of grave matter, they can lead to the committing of grave sin.”
Then there is this beautiful reminder from one of our wonderful early Church Fathers, St. John Chrystotom: “The disciples bore testimony to the Resurrection not only with their words but also with their virtues.”
How important it is to pray—sincerely and with true charity—for our Pope, believing, as we should, that God is in control of His Church and that the Holy Spirit knows what He is doing.
“The Lord himself will fight for you; you only need to keep still”. Exodus 14:14
It’s not slander if it’s true. And the Pope remains silent.
IF is a pivotal word.
And silence tells nothing.
I believe that many of the unseemly rash judgments offered about Pope Francis on this forum are slanderous in nature and could bear bad fruit.
SLANDER
Detraction. Essentially slander is verbal defamation of a person's character, although it may be either spoken or written. It also implies suffering or positive harm done to the victim of slander. In popular language calumny is a form of slander. (Etym. Latin scandalum, stumbling block, offense.)
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CALUMNY
Injuring another person's good name by lying. It is doubly sinful, in unjustly depriving another of his good name and in telling an untruth. Since calumny violates justice, it involves the duty of making reparation for the foreseen injury inflicted. Hence the calumniator must try, not only to repair the harm done to another's good name, but also to make up for any foreseen temporal loss that resulted from the calumny, for example, loss of employment or customers. (Etym. Latin calumnia, a false accusation, malicious charge; from calvi, to deceive.)
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GOSSIP
Idle talk, especially about others. The morality of gossip is determined by the degree to which time is wasted in useless conversation, by the failure in justice or charity committed against others, and by the damage done to people's reputation by those who gossip.
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Lisbona’s claim is in line with public comments Francis himself has made regarding Orthodox theology and Cardinal Kasper’s theology and thus has the ring of truth. It’s hardly “rash judgement” or “slanderous” to react to the Pope’s own remarks. It’s naive to assume he doesn’t mean what he said because we may not like it. Seems slanderous to accuse those who take him at his own word of calumny, slander, and gossip.
VATICAN CITY (CNS) — When Pope Francis spoke to journalists about the need for a stronger Catholic pastoral approach to marriage and to divorced people, he made a parenthetical reference to how the Orthodox churches handle the breakup of marriages differently.
“The Orthodox have a different practice,” he told reporters July 28 during his flight back to Rome from Rio de Janeiro. The Orthodox “follow the theology of ‘oikonomia’ (economy or stewardship), as they call it, and give a second possibility; they permit” a second marriage.
http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1303358.htm
POPE FRANCIS
“Yesterday, before falling asleep, though not to fall asleep, I read, or re-read, Cardinal Kasper’s remarks. I would like to thank him, because I found a deep theology, and serene thoughts in theology. It is nice to read serene theology. It did me well and I had an idea, and excuse me if I embarrass Your Eminence, but the idea is: this is called doing theology while kneeling. Thank you. Thank you.”
No; silence, in this case, speaks volumes.
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