“Father, if it is possible, take this cup from me. Either way, your will be done.” “no one comes to the Father but by me.” sorry for the paraphrase...”no man has seen the father.” !
You guys twist and turn to try and make him lot to be God. But clearly his own words throughout scriptures prove out that he only did his Fathers will. You can try and point to other scriptures to uphold your misvotten belief, but Jesus himself proves you very wrong. Period. And all your stuffed knowledge in the world will not change that...only gets in your way.
John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:14 - And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
John 10:30 - I and [my] Father are one.
Isaiah 9:6 - For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
John 20:28 - And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
John 8:58 - Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
Genesis 1:26 - And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Hebrews 1:8 - But unto the Son [he saith], Thy throne, O God, [is] for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness [is] the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Titus 2:13 - Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
Colossians 1:16 - For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Matthew 1:23 - Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
Revelation 1:8 - I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
1 John 5:20 - And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, [even] in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
Matthew 28:19 - Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Colossians 2:9 - For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
2 Corinthians 4:4 - In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
John 1:3 - All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Isaiah 44:24 - Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I [am] the LORD that maketh all [things]; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;
Isaiah 7:14 - Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
1 Timothy 2:5 - For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
John 1:18 - No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared [him].
Matthew 28:9 - And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.
Isaiah 43:11 - I, [even] I, [am] the LORD; and beside me [there is] no saviour.
Isaiah 42:8 - I [am] the LORD: that [is] my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
Exodus 3:14 - And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
Hebrews 13:8 - Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Hebrews 1:3 - Who being the brightness of [his] glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Hebrews 1:1-3 - God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, (Read More...)
1 Timothy 3:16 - And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Acts 20:28 - Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
John 14:10 - Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
John 14:9 - Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou [then], Shew us the Father?
John 8:28 - Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am [he], and [that] I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.
John 5:18 - Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
John 4:24 - God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth.
Mark 12:29 - And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments [is], Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
Matthew 28:18 - And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Matthew 4:10 - Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
Matthew 3:16-17 - And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: (Read More...)
Isaiah 44:6 - Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I [am] the first, and I [am] the last; and beside me [there is] no God.
Isaiah 43:10 - Ye [are] my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I [am] he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
Proverbs 30:4 - Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what [is] his name, and what [is] his son's name, if thou canst tell?
Genesis 1:1 - In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Revelation 19:10-11 - And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See [thou do it] not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. (Read More...)
Revelation 1:17-18 - And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: (Read More...)
1 John 5:7 - For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
2 Peter 1:1 - Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:
James 2:19 - Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Hebrews 2:14 - Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
Hebrews 1:10 - And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
Philippians 2:10 - That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of [things] in heaven, and [things] in earth, and [things] under the earth;
2 Corinthians 5:19 - To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
Romans 9:5 - Whose [are] the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ [came], who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
Romans 1:20 - For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Acts 7:59 - And they stoned Stephen, calling upon [God], and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.
Acts 2:22 - Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
John 20:31 - But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
John 17:3 - And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
John 14:16 - And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
John 5:22-23 - For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: (Read More...)
John 3:13 - And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, [even] the Son of man which is in heaven.
Luke 2:11 - For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.
Mark 2:7 - Why doth this [man] thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?
Matthew 14:33 - Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.
Matthew 14:25 - And in the fourth watch of the night Jesus went unto them, walking on the sea.
Matthew 1:21 - And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Zechariah 14:9 - And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.
Micah 5:2 - But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, [though] thou be little among the thousands of Judah, [yet] out of thee shall he come forth unto me [that is] to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth [have been] from of old, from everlasting.
Hosea 13:4 - Yet I [am] the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for [there is] no saviour beside me.
Isaiah 63:16 - Doubtless thou [art] our father, though Abraham be ignorant of us, and Israel acknowledge us not: thou, O LORD, [art] our father, our redeemer; thy name [is] from everlasting.
Isaiah 45:18 - For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I [am] the LORD; and [there is] none else.
Isaiah 44:8 - Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared [it]? ye [are] even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, [there is] no God; I know not [any].
Isaiah 43:10-11 - Ye [are] my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I [am] he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. (Read More...)
Psalms 110:1 - (A Psalm of David.) The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Psalms 100:3-4 - Know ye that the LORD he [is] God: [it is] he [that] hath made us, and not we ourselves; [we are] his people, and the sheep of his pasture. (Read More...)
Psalms 2:12 - Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish [from] the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed [are] all they that put their trust in him.
Psalms 2:2 - The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, [saying],
Revelation 19:1 - And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:
Revelation 17:14 - These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him [are] called, and chosen, and faithful.
Revelation 4:2 - And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and [one] sat on the throne.
Jude 1:25 - To the only wise God our Saviour, [be] glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.
1 John 3:16 - Hereby perceive we the love [of God], because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down [our] lives for the brethren.
Hebrews 2:9 - But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
Hebrews 1:6 - And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
Hebrews 1:1-14 - God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, (Read More...)
Titus 1:2 - In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
1 Timothy 6:16 - Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom [be] honour and power everlasting. Amen.
1 Thessalonians 3:13 - To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.
Colossians 1:19 - For it pleased [the Father] that in him should all fulness dwell;
Philippians 2:6-7 - Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: (Read More...)
Ephesians 4:5 - One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Ephesians 1:3 - Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly [places] in Christ:
Galatians 3:20 - Now a mediator is not [a mediator] of one, but God is one.
2 Corinthians 13:14 - The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, [be] with you all. Amen. ([The second [epistle] to the Corinthians was written from Philippi, [a city] of Macedonia, by Titus and Lucas.])
2 Corinthians 11:31 - The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is blessed for evermore, knoweth that I lie not.
1 Corinthians 10:4 - And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
1 Corinthians 8:6 - But to us [there is but] one God, the Father, of whom [are] all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom [are] all things, and we by him.
Romans 15:6 - That ye may with one mind [and] one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Romans 3:30 - Seeing [it is] one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
Acts 9:5 - And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: [it is] hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
Some scripture references/categories courtesy of Open Bible .info under CC BY 3.0
The word "God" has three senses.
The first is as a name, which identifies an entity, an object or person.
The second is its use as a title, which refers to the function of that object or person.
The third is as a quality or substance of an object or person.
I believe that one of you is very confused as to the semantics of the word "God," and thus thinks others are confused when they use the word properly in a way he hasn't yet sorted out.
Let's compare this to a physical example, that of water, H2O:
(1) Liquid water = water = H2O
(2) Gaseous water = steam = H2O
(3) Solid water = ice = H2O
(4) Water is not steam; steam is not ice; ice is not water.
(5) Each entity has unique properties that are not interchangeable, their "titles" are different, their "names" are different, but all are of the same substance. All are forms of water.
(6) All may coexist at one unique time, temperature and pressure.
(7) In certain temperature/pressure regimes, any two may coexist, but the third may not be present.
(8) Under some conditions, all the water present must be in one form, where the other two are not permitted.
These are real, undebatable facts for a material substance that appears in three forms. But linguistically some of the terms are commonly (and sometimes confusedly) interchanged in written communications.
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I think that the Creation provides examples of behavior and language describing it that can help us understand the Creator of it. It does so throughout, especially in Proverbs. I think it is possible to apply this kind of consideration to examine concepts of the Persons of the Godhead, particularly when name(s) is/are confused with title(s), or quality(ies) with either.
(1) The quality of Divinity defines the Nature or Substance of The God, that is, Elohim, a uniplural Hebrew term.
(2) The Name "God" is applied to that Person in Whom the Divinity, the Nature, the Substance of God is invested.
(3) God = Father = Divinity
(4) Jesus = Son = Divinity
(5) Spirit = Holy Spirit/Ghost = Divinity
(6) The Father is not The Son; The Son is not The Holy Spirit; and The Holy Spiit is not The Father; but all are titled God and bear the Nature, Substance, and Quality of Divinity, of God.
(7) Each Person has mutually designated appearances, tasks, and functions. Only The Father saves. Only Jesus became Incarnate, died on the Cross, was resurrected from the dead ones, ascended into The Heaven, and offered His Incorruptible Blood upon the Mercy Seat of The Holy of Holies in Heaven as Eternal High Priest to obtain reconciliation with The Father. Only The Holy Spirit has the task of drawing the attention of human critters and the Creation to The Lord of Lords, the King of Kings, Jeaus The Anointed One/Messsiah/Savior.
In the sense Jesus explained to His disciples, The Holy Ghost, another Comforter as the same kind as the Lord and Master Jesus Christ, could only be sent to sustain His Body, individually and corporately, after Jesus' Ascension. But all sre God in Person, Substance, and function.
(8) These Persons are also One and United in intent, design, execution, and empowerment to carry out their plan for restoring this Creation and bringing Glory, Honor, and Majesty to Their Persons and Existence for all to see and acknowledge.
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Let's apply some maturity and common sense when discussing the nature of theology and its legitimate Persons, eh?
In John 1:1c, The Word (articular, a title of Jesus) is God (anarthrous, making it a nature or quality, not another Person or title of/in The Godhead). Jesus is God, Divinity.
For me, The Preincarnate Jesus is named Jehovah, has the titles of Son, Child; named Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace, and is the Executor in function of Elohim/The God's Will. By preexisting agreement and division of functions.
It is He of Whom and about Whom the Holy Bible of Scriptures is written.
The purpose of the Bible is to communicate The God's plan for redeeming the Creation and His Children from the wreckage caused by the disobedience of Satan and our federal head, Adam.
The theme of the Bible is the Coming of The Messiah, The King, and His Kingdom of Righteousness and Peace, our Lord Jesus Christ.
Is He not God?