Posted on 06/06/2014 5:24:13 PM PDT by ebb tide
For the first time in history, Islamic prayers and readings from the Quran will be heard at the Vatican on Sunday, in a move by Pope Francis to usher in peace between Israelis and Palestinians.
Francis issued the invitation to Israeli President Shimon Peres and Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas during his visit last week to Jordan, Israel, and the Palestinian Authority.
Abbas, Peres, and Francis will be joined by Jewish, Christian and Islamic religious leaders, a statement released by Peres’s spokesperson said, according to the Times of Israel.
Holy See officials on Friday said the evening prayers would be a “pause in politics” and had no political aim other than to rekindle the desire for Israeli-Palestinian peace at the political and popular level, according to the Associated Press.
Low expectations
The Vatican will broadcast a live feed of the event to viewers across the world.
However, expectations for the event should be kept low, according to Rev. Pierbattista Pizzaballa, the custodian of Catholic Church property in the Holy Land.
[No-one should think] “peace will suddenly break out on Monday, or that peace is any closer,” AP reported him as saying.
On Friday, the Pope met with Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, and discussed ways of promoting peace and stability in Asia the Vatican said in a statement.
This is total Bull Shit...the Pope is daft.
This has dedicated the Roman "church" to haSatan since it was first written and spoken. OBTW Allah is not the Elohim of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
I concur. This is a point I've made in other threads. The responses from catholics in attempting to defend this are very interesting. They deny what is clearly written in their own catechism.
No flames, the pope is daft, the whole RC thing is a smokescreen for the anilation of all that is Christian.
A false gospel is a false gospel, some are just more manifest. Whether it be a Muslim supposing so gain paradise or a Catholic or Prot. due to the moral worth of his own holiness. And the homosexual mafia will not be satisfied - ever - though all bow salute the flag of sodom. Such is how the devil gets worship.
The bible isn't written like a dictionary...Or even your catechism where verses are cherry picked and read out of context...
It is a combination of OT and NT scripture that puts it all together...
Here is one group's vision of the event called the 'abomination of desolation'...Here
A peace treaty will be made with Israel and her enemies and in the middle of the treaty period, the anti-Christ will be revealed...This peace treaty is brought about by a false prophet...A false Christian...One who passes as a great Religionist to the masses of the world...
There are numerous commentaries pointing to the many scriptures describing this catastrophic event...
One step closer to a one world religion with Catholics leading the way.
Looks like The Left Behind series was correct about the popo being in league with the antichrist.
It sure does. I become more convinced as time goes on that the Catholic Church is the whore of Babylon.
I was brought up in a SBC church. The church I attended in my youth would likely withdrawal from the SBC. The Missionary Baptist I am an inactive member of certainly would as preacher or deacon etc. to step down. If the Pastor came out gay he would likely be invited to step down following a Deacons meeting held after such a declaration.
If I try finding a church that doesn’t have any stupid sinners in it I’d be in trouble.
There is a difference between sin and being blatant in opposition to the Word Of GOD. So much so that they ask the church to except and even participate in a pagan religion and worship with such or accept serious acts such as is homosexual marriages or abortions. Worshiping any god but the GOD of Abraham, Isaac, is an abomination as is such sin as acting on homosexuality including gay marriage.
If any church official be it deacon, preacher, Sunday school teacher, priest, or Pope, accepts the normalization of such actions inside the church or elsewhere and teaches others to do the same they are leading people on a path of destruction. The behavior expected of leaders in a church is spelled out clearly by Paul in Timothy.
It's sometimes more than I can digest but the truth sets us free.God bless you dear brother and as always thankyou for the pings!
In the Religion forum, on a thread titled Islamic prayers to be held at the Vatican, Faith Presses On wrote:
For one example, look at the “Immaculate Conception” of Mary. It went from being an open question, with the Catholic Church refusing to take a position on it, to a dogma over some centuries. And from reading the Bible and especially the Gospels, and then the New Testament, it’s clear the Mary was in no way any sort of object to be focused on. Jesu Himself addressed her as Woman, and when given the opportunity to hold her up publicly (when a woman referred to her in blessing who breastfed Him) He didn’t, not even partly, which would have been to agree then change the focus. Instead, he corrected the woman and changed the focus.
/My soul magnifies the Lord,
And my spirit rejoices in God my Savior.
For He has regarded the low estate of His handmaiden,
For behold, henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
For He who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is His name. And His mercy is on those who fear Him from generation to generation.
He has shown strength with His arm:
He has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.
He has put down the mighty from their thrones,
and exalted those of low degree.
He has filled the hungry with good things;
and the rich He has sent empty away.
He has helped His servant Israel, in remembrance of His mercy;
As He spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to His posterity forever.
Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit.
As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be, world without end. Amen
Magníficat ánima mea Dóminum,
et exsultávit spíritus meus
in Deo salvatóre meo,
quia respéxit humilitátem
ancíllæ suæ.
Ecce enim ex hoc beátam
me dicent omnes generatiónes,
quia fecit mihi magna,
qui potens est,
et sanctum nomen eius,
et misericórdia eius in progénies
et progénies timéntibus eum.
Fecit poténtiam in bráchio suo,
dispérsit supérbos mente cordis sui;
depósuit poténtes de sede
et exaltávit húmiles.
Esuriéntes implévit bonis
et dívites dimísit inánes.
Suscépit Ísrael púerum suum,
recordátus misericórdiæ,
sicut locútus est ad patres nostros,
Ábraham et sémini eius in sæcula.
Glória Patri et Fílio
et Spirítui Sancto.
Sicut erat in princípio,
et nunc et semper,
et in sæcula sæculórum.
Amen.
She became the Mother of God, in which work so many and such great good things are bestowed on her as pass man’s understanding. For on this there follows all honor, all blessedness, and her unique place in the whole of mankind, among which she has no equal, namely, that she had a child by the Father in heaven, and such a Child . . . Hence men have crowded all her glory into a single word, calling her the Mother of God . . . None can say of her nor announce to her greater things, even though he had as many tongues as the earth possesses flowers and blades of grass: the sky, stars; and the sea, grains of sand. It needs to be pondered in the heart what it means to be the Mother of God.
(Commentary on the Magnificat, 1521; in Luther’s Works, Pelikan et al, vol. 21, 326)
So? I'm no apologist for Pope Francis. Besides, Rome has been sacked before. The authority of St. Peter and his successors resides in the office and not the geographical location. We will always have the Papacy. So don't worry.
Protestants place more emphasis on the "man-made" aspects of the Church than most Catholics. I think it stems from a deep indwelling of the secular within the protestant framework. That's why you can have members of the protestant contingent concern trolling about the so-called "Catholic invasion of America."
Here's the question: Would Christ Himself allow Satan to sit at the right hand of the Father and pray????
Nope. Satan is an angel with full knowledge. His decision is final. Are you telling me this imam or whatever is Satan? I think it would be best if protestants examine the conversion stories of muslims. They are being converted. What our Blessed Mother did for the indians she will do for them.
“The responses from Catholics in attempting to defend this are very interesting. They deny what is clearly written in their own catechism.”
The current edition of the CCC was heavily influenced by the enemies of the Church of whom Pope Saint Pius X wrote.
This is what happens when mortal man substitutes his judgment for God’s. It does not, however, impeach Catholicism as a whole.
Don’t forget that the first war on Islamic terrorism, also known as the First Crusade, was called by a Catholic pope, Urban II. Catholicism has always known that Allah and Mohammedism are inventions of Satan, and as soon as the attack on the Church that began in the 20th century is beaten back, this error in the CCC will be corrected.
“Are you telling me this imam or whatever is Satan?”
My belief is that Islam is a creation of Satan, whipped up to torment Jews and Christians.
I think you're right. I like what Belloc had to say on the matter. In that perspective you could see why muslims would be invited to Rome:
Mohammedanism was a heresy: that is the essential point to grasp before going any further. It began as a heresy, not as a new religion. It was not a pagan contrast with the Church; it was not an alien enemy. It was a perversion of Christian doctrine. It vitality and endurance soon gave it the appearance of a new religion, but those who were contemporary with its rise saw it for what it was not a denial, but an adaptation and a misuse, of the Christian thing. It differed from most (not from all) heresies in this, that it did not arise within the bounds of the Christian Church.
The chief heresiarch, Mohammed himself, was not, like most heresiarchs, a man of Catholic birth and doctrine to begin with. He sprang from pagans. But that which he taught was in the main Catholic doctrine, oversimplified. It was the great Catholic world on the frontiers of which he lived, whose influence was all around him and whose territories he had known by travel which inspired his convictions. He came of, and mixed with, the degraded idolaters of the Arabian wilderness, the conquest of which had never seemed worth the Romans' while.
He took over very few of those old pagan ideas which might have been native to him from his descent. On the contrary, he preached and insisted upon a whole group of ideas which were peculiar to the Catholic Church and distinguished it from the paganism which it had conquered in the Greek and Roman civilization. Thus the very foundation of his teaching was that prime Catholic doctrine, the unity and omnipotence of God. The attributes of God he also took over in the main from Catholic doctrine: the personal nature, the all-goodness, the timelessness, the providence of God, His creative power as the origin of all things, and His sustenance of all things by His power alone. The world of good spirits and angels and of evil spirits in rebellion against God was a part of the teaching, with a chief evil spirit, such as Christendom had recognized. Mohammed preached with insistence that prime Catholic doctrine, on the human side the immortality of the soul and its responsibility for actions in this life, coupled with the consequent doctrine of punishment and reward after death.
Belloc, H. (n.d.). The Great Heresies. Retrieved June 7, 2014, from http://www.ewtn.com/library/homelibr/heresy4.txt
I hadn’t seen Belloc’s take before. I must read it.
My belief is that Satan and Mohammed stole from both Catholic and Jewish writings to deceive the unwary. They can point to those stolen passages as evidence that it is a religion of peace, but there have always been those who disregard them and put the Satanic parts into practice.
Because it is contaminated with Satan’s evil, it will always be a source of war, terrorism, and other atrocities, no matter how mooselimbs of good intent try to focus on those stolen Judeo-Christian ideas.
Thanks be to God for what is good!
the example I used is called an analogy. I was using it to make a point that Jesus would not allow Satan to pray in Heaven. So why would the "vicar of Christ" pray with the enemy?
But to your question. Yes...I am equating islam with Satan. Jesus said you're either with me or against me. If you're not aligned with Jesus you are aligned with Satan by default. There isn't any middle ground.
Oh goodness....not the false doctrine of mary intervening in our salvation again.
so you are equating Mormonism with Catholicism??
Muham-mad even reproved such things as the Christian Trinity consisting of God, Jesus and Mary, (Sura 5:116-117) as relying on secondary sources, this is likely what it seemed like Christians believed.
But as with the devil, (Mt. 4) he also referenced the Scriptures in order give his message authority, upholding the Scriptures[8] that existed then as divinely inspired, both the Torah, (Sura 2:87) and the Psalms, (4:163) and the Gospels, (Suras 3:3; 5:46) such as in stating,
If thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the Book from before thee: the Truth hath indeed come to thee from thy Lord: so be in no wise of those in doubt. 10:94 (Y. Ali)
Say: "O People of the Book! ye have no ground to stand upon unless ye stand fast by the Law, the Gospel, and all the revelation that has come to you from your Lord, (Sura 5:68; Y. Ali) and
And dispute ye not with the People of the Book, except with means better (than mere disputation), unless it be with those of them who inflict wrong (and injury): but say, "We believe in the revelation which has come down to us and in that which came down to you; Our Allah and your Allah is one; and it is to Him we bow (in Islam). (Sura 29:46; Y. Ali)
But as he could not read Scripture he got them skewed, and which is Islam's undoing, as the Qur'an critically contradicts the Bible, especially as concerns the person and work of Jesus Christ, as it flatly denies His death and resurrection, as well as His Divine nature, both of which which are held by Christians to be abundantly testified to
Islamic apologists recognize these contradictions, and therefore charge that the Bible was tampered with, though the amount of alterations required to explain the Quranic deviations from Biblical text would require a radical amount of rewriting, especially of the latter.
However, an abundance of manuscripts which predate the Quran yet exist such as the Codex Sinaiticus (c. 350 AD), with Aland numbering a total of 230 extant New Testament manuscript portions which pre-date 600 AD (192 Greek New Testament manuscripts, 5 Greek lectionaries containing scripture, and 33 translations of the Greek New Testament).[13][14] The doctrinal conflation of these with later manuscripts manifest that the alleged rewriting did not take place
As no extant Biblical manuscript, from before the time of Muhammed or after him, agrees with the Quranic contradictions, many Muslim apologists look to the Gospel of Barnabas for support. However, this radically different account is judged by both Christian and secular academics, (and some Muslims such as Abbas el-Akkad), as a late work and pseudepigraphical. With its obvious anachronisms and historical errors (like sailing to Nazareth) and utter lack of early manuscript evidence and irreconcilable differences between it and any ancient manuscripts, it is seen as a fourteenth century attempt to read later Islamic doctrine into the Bible, which clearly refutes it More
Francis has turned into a major disappointment. The church has had bad popes before. Francis every other day says something or does something that makes no sense, then he never explains himself. Pray for him. God will take care of the church. Trust in Him. What else can you do.
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