Posted on 06/26/2014 11:03:05 AM PDT by ebb tide
A few weeks ago I wrote about the debacle that Pope Francis allowed, if not orchestrated, at the Vatican Gardens on Pentecost Sunday. Well it seems that the fallout was rather immediate. In a Catholic Church in Orlando, FL, also on Pentecost Sunday, two Muslim men were allowed to give their "reflections" - in place of the homily!
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PFL
I would have walked out.
Monkey see, monkey do
Me too!
That’s nothing compared to this video(58:02m):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFIF2HMcOYs
Not to mention that the boys in the Vat tried to lie about the content of the video by way of omission.
I have already been hearing from many of my Catholic co workers that islam is just as OK as Eastern Orthodox, and can lead to salvation.
i have had so many rcc folks here tell me this isn’t true.
i point to a lifelong priest friend of my family who believes his place in heaven isn’t certain b/c he believes he could still screw up something in purgatory, but he believes muslims could get to heaven because “they love Mary”.
many rcc here chided me that he was wrong, yet he is very tight with his bishop, he never has had any unorthodox charges put on him, he is a model rcc priest, not radical at all but quite normal and traditional, he is quite certain in what he believes and what he was taught. if anyone is going to know better what the rcc teaches and believes it’s a guy like this.
they think muslims can get there b/c of Mary. even though they deny the Son of God. and they think they still may not get there themselves.
it’s unbelievably saddening.
And never returned. The Holy Spirit expresses Himself in many ways, but the Quran is not one of them. Period.
Your poor, priest friend needs your prayers. If his beliefs are how you explain them, he also needs a refund from his seminary.
One cannot “screw up” in Purgatory. If you made to Purgatory, you will make it Heaven.
Only God knows who is going to Heaven. He has made many promises, and is a just and loving father. To claim a person would go to Heaven because they love Mary, on its face is wrong. If someone loved Mary, then they would love Jesus more! They would follow her example and be obedient to Jesus, absorb and live His teachings, and proclaim Him Lord of Lords.
his thoughts are correct for rcc. you confirm this when you say only God knows who is going to heaven. he believes this, he is simply saying he can’t be certain he is. he’s saying it a different way, but he’s also flat out said to me he can’t be sure he’s going there.
the bible is clear we who believe in Jesus can have a certain hope that we will be in heaven when we die. and that we can know this now, and it’s not arrogant or presumptuous to say so. my salvation doesn’t hinge on me, it is all on Jesus. it doesn’t mean i live without consequences or that i don’t try my best to live a God-pleasing life, it means i can trust in God’s promise to save me because I trust in Jesus is my Savior. when i do what He wants, or when i fail and need His forgiveness, He’s not going to abandon me or take away my salvation.
the hardest thing for people to believeisthat God has their back, and that he’s not looking at scales every second weighing whether our latest good or bad deed has gained us or lost us, our salvation.
I read the referring article and found it wide-ranging and unfocused.
While I agree fully that the Homily must be given, and not have 2 non-believers give it, the author’s attempt to tie it into Holy Thursday and the Abbas/Perez/Bartholew I prayers fail.
The USCCB, in February of 1987, said it was OK to wash the feet of men and women. Here is an excerpt of the relavent statement: In this regard, it has become customary in many places to invite both men and women to be participants in this rite in recognition of the service that should be given by all the faithful to the Church and to the world. Thus, in the United States, a variation in the rite developed in which not only charity is signified but also humble service. (http://www.usccb.org/prayer-and-worship/liturgical-year/triduum/holy-thursday-mandatum.cfm)
Regarding the prayers said in June, I think this quote makes the most sense “We do not pray together, but we stay together to pray,” which indicates it wasn’t a liturgical event. Rather, it was a time when individuals could ask God for peace, in their own voice.
The article, in my opinion was critical and conspiratorial with the “coming from the highest office...” statement.
The USCCB has absolutely no authority in overruling canon law in such matters.
No more authority that it did telling Catholic voters to vote for Obamacare or blanket amnesty.
You might as well quote the Communist Party as your source.
Not to nitpick, but if the priest believes he can screw up in Purgatory, he is just wrong, and it is not a belief of the Church. That is also very different from saying a person doesn’t know if he is going to heaven or not.
Jesus redeemed all of us with His once-and-for-all sacrifice on Calvary. Additionally, God clearly has our back, and is the epitome of love and mercy.
However, humans have the ability to turn their backs on God. We do it every day, through pride, and any number of other sins. When we sin, we push away from God. He never leaves, but we turn our backs on Him.
Just because Jesus redeemed all of mankind doesn’t mean all of mankind accepts that gift. Even the demons acknowledge Christ as Lord, but look where they are.
While Liturgical Law does speak to the Mandatum (viri selecti), there are diocese that have received special permission to include women.
Since Liturgical law is subject to change, and the Supreme Pontiff can authorize this change, he is well within his rights to do so, in his own diocese. It doesn’t imply, though appears, to change the rubrics for the rest of the world.
It seems like so much bickering.
You will not hear that from this Catholic! Ever. The "many of my Catholic" etc are those that I call indifferent Catholics. They are nominal at best and actually anti-Catholic at worst. Remember that indifference is the opposite of love not hate. To be indifferent to one's claimed religion is the worst form of apostasy.
When people start realizing that Catholic teaching changed with regards to (at least) the Muslims at Vatican II, then this will all make sense and it will be clear that it isn’t just Francis’ doing.
Giving Communion to pro-abortion politicians is a MORTAL SIN. (Cf. http://tinyurl.com/canon915 )
The USCCB, in “Catholics in Political Life,” in 2004, adopted as “policy” that giving Communion to pro-abortion politicians is an option that a bishop may “legitimately” adopt.
That’s right! For TEN WHOLE YEARS, the USCCB’s official policy is that Catholic bishops may “legitimately” commit mortal sin!
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