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Take This Chalice—Please
Commonweal ^ | June 30, 2014 | Rita Ferrone

Posted on 07/03/2014 8:44:00 AM PDT by right-wing agnostic

The results of a recent survey by the Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate indicate that more than half the priests in the United States dislike the new Missal translation. A very large majority finds parts of it “awkward and distracting.” Many believe it urgently needs revision. Fr. Tony Cutcher, president of the Federation of Priests’ Councils, says it’s time to move forward with “constructive criticism” and changes. Atlanta Archbishop Wilton Gregory said much the same thing recently at a conference in Florida.

OK, I’m ready. Can we change “chalice” back to “cup” now?

The new translation retired the word “cup,” and replaced it with “chalice.” “Chalice” now occurs three times in the heart of the Mass, where Jesus’ actions at the Last Supper are described. In Eucharistic Prayer I, the Old Roman Canon, the current translation refers to the cup as “this precious chalice.”

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TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Ecumenism; History
KEYWORDS: currenttranslation; mass
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To: massgopguy

Got it.


21 posted on 07/03/2014 9:49:57 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: massgopguy
They broke the chalice from the palace. The pellet with the poison's in the flagon with the dragon. The vessel with the pestle has the brew that is true.

-PJ

22 posted on 07/03/2014 9:57:42 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: right-wing agnostic
What's their position on the restoration of "His holy and venerable hands"?

Leave the Roman Canon alone. You got three other prayers to fool with.

23 posted on 07/03/2014 10:03:27 AM PDT by Oratam
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To: Arthur McGowan

The chalice from the palace has the pellet with the poison.

...I can’t believe it took 16 posts for someone to bring that up...

...don’t forget the ‘flagon with the dragon’ and the ‘brew that is true’...


24 posted on 07/03/2014 10:35:51 AM PDT by IrishBrigade (')
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To: Oratam

Leave the Roman Canon alone. You got three other prayers to fool with.

...the best thing to do, if these priests are so all fired irritated about a more edifying translation, is to revert to the silent Canon of the Mass...then their pointy little heads won’t have to worry about the unwashed in the pews hearing a rendition they don’t like...

...the Spirit of Vatican II...you gotta love it...


25 posted on 07/03/2014 10:42:34 AM PDT by IrishBrigade (')
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To: Mercat
After Mass I told him that I did not come up to the altar to have a personal connection with him but with my Lord. He was surprised. I’m guessing not very many people openly confronted him.
Good for you! It's important to help keep priests on the up-and-up.
26 posted on 07/03/2014 10:49:56 AM PDT by mlizzy ("If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic Adoration, abortion would be ended." --Mother Teresa)
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To: right-wing agnostic

I much prefer the new translation (which, as others point out, is remarkably similar to the pre-1970 vernacular translation).


27 posted on 07/03/2014 11:11:01 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Salvation

Why couldn’t Francis change it?


28 posted on 07/03/2014 11:11:51 AM PDT by piusv
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To: right-wing agnostic

???
Fishing expedition?


29 posted on 07/03/2014 11:27:54 AM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: sitetest

I much prefer the new translation (which, as others point out, is remarkably similar to the pre-1970 vernacular translation).

...actually, the 2011 translation is a more literal translation of the Latin Ordo (Pauline Rite) of 1969...ICEL changed some of the wording to more conform to progressive tendencies in the English speaking Catholic world...

...think ‘we believe’ in the Credo, and ‘for all’ in the Consecrational formula, and you see the type of corrections made...


30 posted on 07/03/2014 12:14:59 PM PDT by IrishBrigade (')
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To: Salvation
Greek kylix
31 posted on 07/03/2014 12:57:19 PM PDT by cornelis
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To: right-wing agnostic
KEAGGY: Chalice
And suffering restores us; burns away the empty shallowness
And softening the heart
To be broken bread and poured out wine...
When it rains it pours; turns a life into a chalice;
There to nourish every soul one at a time.

32 posted on 07/03/2014 1:00:31 PM PDT by cornelis
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To: piusv

I don’t think he will.


33 posted on 07/03/2014 4:25:24 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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