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The Pope: We are Christians because we belong to the Church, "can't love God outside of the Church"
http://www.asianews.it ^ | June 25, 2014 | The Vatican

Posted on 07/03/2014 4:10:21 PM PDT by NKP_Vet

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To: NKP_Vet

How sad. Why are Catholics so loath to give credit to God? God gave us the scripture and preserved it as He promised. Might I remind you that He also used Balaam’s donkey, Judas, Herod and many who would not be considered true believers?


101 posted on 07/03/2014 6:50:55 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: NKP_Vet
Catholics wrote the Bible, and canonized the Bible. The Catholic Curch came before the NT. Without the Catholic Church you would have never heard of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. The Catholic Church brought the Word of God to all believers.

You have been corrected on that many times. You don't listen to the truth and you still try to spread falsehoods. Why is that?

102 posted on 07/03/2014 6:53:43 PM PDT by Karl Spooner
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103 posted on 07/03/2014 7:08:07 PM PDT by narses (Matthew 7:6. He appears to have made up his mind let him live with the consequences.)
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To: Karl Spooner

104 posted on 07/03/2014 7:08:17 PM PDT by narses (Matthew 7:6. He appears to have made up his mind let him live with the consequences.)
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To: narses

You may be brain dead by the looks of it. I don’t really mean that, I mean spiritually dead.


105 posted on 07/03/2014 7:10:57 PM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: narses; CynicalBear

106 posted on 07/03/2014 7:16:25 PM PDT by WVKayaker ("Every American should feel outrage at any injustice done to our veterans " -Sarah Palin 5/26/14)
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107 posted on 07/03/2014 7:17:21 PM PDT by WVKayaker ("Every American should feel outrage at any injustice done to our veterans " -Sarah Palin 5/26/14)
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To: NKP_Vet
If the name is 'I am a Christian', the surname is 'I belong to the Church'."

With all due respect, the pope is wrong....the only thing that matters is how on an individual basis we answer the question "And what did you do with Jesus Christ?" Nothing else matters as far as one's salvation. The church is just the body of believers.

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

108 posted on 07/03/2014 7:19:14 PM PDT by hecticskeptic (In life it is important to know what you believeÂ….and more importantly, why you believe it.)
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109 posted on 07/03/2014 7:20:33 PM PDT by narses (Matthew 7:6. He appears to have made up his mind let him live with the consequences.)
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To: NKP_Vet

You realize that Augustine was in Alexandria when he said this, right? And that Constantinople was essentially the center of the Christian world at the time, with Alexandria not far behind? Meanwhile Rome was on it’s last leg and fading fast.

So you realize that he is NOT talking about Rome, right?


110 posted on 07/03/2014 7:36:38 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead...)
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To: Karl Spooner

You wrote, “Easter (a pagan fertility holiday) was propagated by the Catholics instead of Passover.”

Jesus gave us a New Covenant, so Easter is the celebration of the Resurrection of the Lord, the triumph of Jesus over the grave. Surely you, as a Christian, know that. It is true that Easter practices with dyed egg, bunnies, etc. are borrowed from earlier spring festivals dating back to pagan times. But with the resurrection, we are called to a new ‘spring’ so to speak, and should not deny the significance of the day due to some pagan myths mixing into the day’s celebration.

Secondly, you admit that the Catholic church was the entity that began celebration of the Resurrection of the Lord - which takes us back to the time of the Apostles. Of course the first Christians celebrated Jesus’s Resurrection. We are into the New Covenant of God with His people. Jesus’s Last Supper, and His Crucifixion are not the end to his story, for His triumphal emergence from death to life on that Holy morning is celebrated now as a Christian holiday which Europeans called Easter (Ostertag in German) because it indicates the dawn of a new day when the sun rises in the east.


111 posted on 07/03/2014 7:41:21 PM PDT by Gumdrop (~)
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To: NKP_Vet

You realize that Lactantius was also a native of North Africa and taught throughout eastern Roman empire the Christian part of his life? You also realize he was an advisor to Constantine?

Do you think he was speaking of Rome here?


112 posted on 07/03/2014 7:45:44 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead...)
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To: NKP_Vet

Matthew 18:20:

“For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.”

I don’t believe 2 or 3 people is a Church.


113 posted on 07/03/2014 7:53:46 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead...)
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To: hecticskeptic

“The church is just the body of believers”

Christ started one church, the Catholic Church. A very visible church of believers. Nothing at all invisible about it. It was that way for 1,500 years until the heretic Martin Luther thought he knew more than God himself and he and his followers broke away from the Catholic Church. Protestantism is a false religion. Eternal salvation is through the Catholic Church they broke away from. I would suggest that if you care anything for your eternal salvation you return to the faith of your ancestors.


114 posted on 07/03/2014 7:54:00 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: CynicalBear

“God says don’t incorporate pagan practices in worship of Him.”

We don’t. Candles were universal - not just pagan. Jews use them all the time: http://judaism.about.com/od/jewishculture/a/What-Do-Candles-Represent-In-Judaism.htm

I guess you better tell all the Jews of the world that they’re violating Deuteronomy 12 in your opinion. Maybe they’ll care (actually I doubt it).

Since your comment is so blatantly ridiculous I can’t take anything else you say in your post seriously.


115 posted on 07/03/2014 8:11:11 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: NKP_Vet

Eternal salvation is through the Catholic Church...

wow ...
can you please share that passage of scripture with a little one who is on the outside looking in?

I would certainly hate to mislead anyone in my travels.


116 posted on 07/03/2014 8:16:16 PM PDT by A child of Yah (I once was lost, but now I'm found, twas grace that set me free ... thank you LORD)
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To: A child of Yah

wow is right


117 posted on 07/03/2014 8:17:15 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Salvation

Truth hurts on indulgences doesn’t it?


118 posted on 07/03/2014 8:22:06 PM PDT by ealgeone (obama, borderof)
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To: WVKayaker

Don’t confuse a catholic with the Word. They’ve got tradition and Mary and indulgences and relics.


119 posted on 07/03/2014 8:23:50 PM PDT by ealgeone (obama, borderof)
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To: NKP_Vet

Christians have the Word. Catechism not needed.


120 posted on 07/03/2014 8:24:41 PM PDT by ealgeone (obama, borderof)
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