Why Would All These People Lie About Pope Francis?

blog.steveskojec.com ^ | 7/19/2014 | Steve Skojec

[fatima]

Do your friends at the Vatican approve of your attacks on Pope Francis.?

[Brian Kopp DPM]

Another troubling irony is that those who usually attack Catholicism and the papacy seem to want to defend this Pope, and those who usually defend the papacy in general are troubled by him.

He is popular with the world, often the wrong elements of the world, and I’m not seeing people pouring into the Church and embracing Catholicism as a result of his worldly popularity.

[Brian Kopp DPM]

I am not attacking Pope Francis. I am defending the Faith.

[fatima]

Your Post attacks the Pope and call him a liar.Do your friends at the Vatican support this .Name them or do you just like to fight..

[Talisker]

Another troubling irony is that those who usually attack Catholicism and the papacy seem to want to defend this Pope, and those who usually defend the papacy in general are troubled by him.

One would think that obedience to the Pope would be a matter of faith to a Catholic. What's ironic is that it's not - or rather that it is, per specified subsection clauses and applicable interpretive definitions of what the meaning of "faith," is.

As opposed, say, to the Protestant attitude towards the Pope which, of course, is completely different.

Hey, you want to throw in a zing, don't be surprised when you get one back. All I did was support the Pope on this thread. That such a thing would irritate a Catholic - in the name of true Catholicsm, no less - is... ironic.

[Brian Kopp DPM]

I don’t remember this kind or level of infighting among Catholics faithful to the Magisterium on FreeRepublic or the blogs under Popes JPII or BXVI.

Wonder why that is?

Don’t shoot the messenger.

[Brian Kopp DPM]

We owe obedience to the Pope on matters of Faith and Morals. But popes are infallible only in matters of Faith and Morals. They are not impeccable. They can and do sin. They can and do make imprudent judgments. And when they do Catholics are free to express their opinions in that regard without being accused of “attacking” the Pope.

[DannyTN]

This Southern Baptist has never seen anyone have their words twisted and misinterpreted as much as this pope. It’s worse than democrats slandering their opponents during a close political campaign.

Clearly there are forces outside and inside the church that hate and fear this man and want to take him down.

[DannyTN]

This Southern Baptist has never seen anyone have their words twisted and misinterpreted as much as this pope. It’s worse than democrats slandering their opponents during a close political campaign.

Clearly there are forces outside and inside the church that hate and fear this man and want to take him down.

[fatima]

But you are talking to me.I don’t join in the discussion on what Pope Francis says.Do your friends at the Vatican support this .

[DannyTN]

"And when they do Catholics are free to express their opinions in that regard without being accused of “attacking” the Pope."

Yes, they are. My comment about twisting and misinterpreting his comments is about the totality of what has been reported on him.

[kalee]

These cases are people who have gone public, how many others has he counseled and what message did he give them? Maybe he has said something different to those unknown others, something more in line with church teaching, and they have kept their conversations private.

[Talisker]

We owe obedience to the Pope on matters of Faith and Morals. But popes are infallible only in matters of Faith and Morals. They are not impeccable. They can and do sin. They can and do make imprudent judgments. And when they do Catholics are free to express their opinions in that regard without being accused of “attacking” the Pope.

Protestants don't accept the authority of the Pope. You admit Popes are fallible. Therefore there should not be so much animosity between Catholics and Protestants. They should be able to disagree and yet accept each other as differing, united in their love of Christ. I disagree with the pope saying that all Christians should unite under Catholicism - rather, I think Catholicism should join other Christian faiths AS one Christian faith among many under the unifying concept of love of Christ.

Unfortunately, it seems every faith on the planet wants to be the only faith on the planet.

[spyone]

The lead off quote of this article, 2 Timothy...is one that both Catholics and Protestants should know wasn’t written by Paul. So says Francis’ fellow Jesuit and hundreds of other bible scholars.
http://catholic-resources.org/Bible/Paul-Disputed.htm

[Brian Kopp DPM]

Yes. He subsequently posted this at the bottom of his blog entry:

UPDATE 2 – 7/20/2014 @ 8:55AM: My thanks to one of my priestly readers, who kindly pointed out my error in attributing authorship of 2 Timothy to St. John instead of St. Paul. It was the result of some incautious Googling, and the fact that I’m an absolutely terrible exegete. Something in the back of my mind told me to go back and check that before posting, but I completely forgot. It’s nice to have readers who help you correct your silly mistakes instead of exploiting them. The post has been corrected to reflect the correct author.

[spyone]

Not that that has anything to do with what I posted or what he believes.

[hinckley buzzard]

And he [Pope Francsis] said, ‘You know you don’t need, you don’t need to be in the Church, you are part of the Church, you don’t physically need to be in it, inside it you know to be part of God’s family like.’

The Pope is exactly correct. Either that or a host of elderly and infirm, who receive the Eucharist at home and in nursing homes because they can't travel to a church building, are condemned to hell.

Hm, who to believe...

[hinckley buzzard]

... I’m not seeing people pouring into the Church and embracing Catholicism as a result of his worldly popularity.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/washington-area-welcomes-a-record-number-of-catholic-converts-amid-falling-national-rates/2014/04/19/4776f510-c721-11e3-8b9a-8e0977a24aeb_story.html

[Brian Kopp DPM]

http://wdtprs.com/blog/2014/03/the-francis-effect-results-vary/

[steve86]

FWIW: What I personally believe (and is at odds with many traditional Catholics) is that "The Church" extends beyond the Roman church (and obviously beyond a particular church building's walls) and to some of the rest of the Christian community (not including fallen mainstreamers, prosperity gospel, etc.), but there is no way in [heck] an individual's soul will get directly to heaven without receiving The Body in a Catholic Church (literally). end of run-on Ironically, the ones outside the Catholic Church proper don't believe in Purgatory but that's where they're headed (best case). But then I am ICD-10 F60.1 so what do I know?