Why Would All These People Lie About Pope Francis?

blog.steveskojec.com ^ | 7/19/2014 | Steve Skojec

[Brian Kopp DPM]

"Who am I to judge?"

[ebb tide]

And he [Pope Francsis] said, ‘You know you don’t need, you don’t need to be in the Church, you are part of the Church, you don’t physically need to be in it, inside it you know to be part of God’s family like.’

Why am I not surpirsed?

[HiTech RedNeck]

Why would people who are in their own words irreconcilably angry at some organization lie about it?

Why, that’s the biggest mystery in the world.

Maybe I’ve not kept up, but I don’t think any other pope in recent years has attempted personal pastoral counseling with the laity. The problem comes with trying to assert dual roles of personal pastoral counseling and official spokesman of the entire Roman church. I think these practical results show that the roles are not compatible! It invites liars to not just break the confidence of a pastor, but to smear the entire organization. Of course Crazy Evangelicals question the need for a Pope in the first place.

[ebb tide]

Why would people who are in their own words irreconcilably angry at some organization lie about it?

The bigger question is why has the Vatican not denied these recent pastoral counsels, if indeed, they did not occur?

[ebb tide]

Why would people who are in their own words irreconcilably angry at some organization lie about it?

The bigger question is why has the Vatican not denied these recent pastoral counsels, if indeed, they did not occur?

[fatima]

You just did,why are you angry at the church.?

[HiTech RedNeck]

It would put the pope into an ethical pickle, is my guess. This was supposed to stay confidential, so it isn’t as easy as saying “I never told her that.” Also the Roman practice seems to be one of great deference to what they call the “deposit of faith” i.e. already recorded teachings whether biblical or post-biblical. That’s the answer often given to the question of “Well, why don’t they excommunicate the badly disobedient Ms. XXX?” I.e. “We already wrote that such a person excommunicates herself, so why say it again.”

Of course as a Crazy Evangelical, I’d assert that, yes, this kind of attitude results in some unseemly situations!

[Brian Kopp DPM]

I love the Church, thanks.

Loving the Church means asking questions when leaders in the Church may be straying from the deposit of Faith, or leading the Faithful astray. Yes, that even includes the Pope.

God bless,

Brian

[HiTech RedNeck]

But one question which doesn’t get entertained is “Ought there to be an office of Pope at all, given that its rules are getting it, and the reputation of a large segment of Christendom, into pickles like this?”

[fatima]

Hi Brian,God bless you too,what’s this Pope done this time.Last I heard you were upset with the last Pope.

[JennysCool]

why has the Vatican not denied these recent pastoral counsels, if indeed, they did not occur?

Quite possibly because the Vatican knows that God will set things right, in His time, not the mass media's agenda.

[Brian Kopp DPM]

I loved Pope Benedict XVI. I'm very concerned about our present Pope, for the reasons in this article and other reasons. He does not seem to want to promote orthodoxy and orthopraxis; his words and actions seem those of someone more concerned with everyone liking him than with actually saving souls. And compromising the Catholic Faith does not save souls.

"Woe to you when everyone speaks well of you, for that is how their ancestors treated the false prophets. "

- Luke 6:26

[Technical Editor]

You are misunderstanding Pope Francis’s meaning.

[Brian Kopp DPM]

Ought there to be an office of Pope at all

If it was good enough for Jesus, its good enough for us. There are plenty of scriptural proof texts to prove the Papacy was the Will of Our Lord, and early Christian writings that fully back up that interpretation of those proof texts. I'm not interested in rehashing that old debate though.

[fatima]

I loved Pope Benedict XVI too.He stepped down.Why I don’t know .I thought he was dying.He’s still alive.

[Brian Kopp DPM]

How can anyone honestly know Pope Francis' meaning? I'm tired of being told its all just a misunderstanding, that people are lying about what the Pope said, that the media is spinning what the Pope said.

If any of that were true, the Pope and the Vatican possess more than adequate means of clarifying what the Pope meant and really said, but every time this kind of nonsense happens, all we get from the Vatican is spin and prevarication.

For the Record: The Essential Rule of Interpretation of Pope Francis

We had missed the chance to quote this when it first appeared in The Atlantic a couple of months ago, so we post it here for future reference -- since, despite its immense relevance, for the present and for future historians, it is buried deep inside a very extensive article on Benedict XVI.

Fr. Bernd Hagenkord SJ
Head of the German-language Section of Vatican Radio

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“Francis knows exactly how power is spelled,” says Bernd Hagenkord, a Jesuit who is in charge of German programming for Vatican Radio. “He’s a communicator in the league with Mother Teresa and the Dalai Lama. They say he’s being unclear, but we know exactly what he means.”

[fatima]

So call him up ,I have a few friends at the Vatican.I can give you numbers.

[Talisker]

And he [Pope Francsis] said, ‘You know you don’t need, you don’t need to be in the Church, you are part of the Church, you don’t physically need to be in it, inside it you know to be part of God’s family like.’

I feel like the author is Roseanne Roseannadanna. The pope didn't say someone should be outside the Church. He acknowledged her as a Catholic and responded to the pain she felt having been sexually abused "at the hands of a curate in the archdiocese of Dublin." In other words he was addressing, quite specifically, her physical presence in an actual physical church as not being necessary under her conditions so as to not cause her any more pain.

Sheesh. I'm not even Catholic and it's clear to me that he was giving her a dispensation for relief. And to those of you who say it's because I'm not Catholic that I agree with the Pope - do you even hear what you're saying? LOL!

[Brian Kopp DPM]

I have a few friends “at the Vatican” too. They’re just as concerned as I am. In fact, if they weren’t so concerned, I wouldn’t be as concerned.

[Brian Kopp DPM]

That one case, taken in isolation, I would simply interpret the same as you. Under any other pontificate it wouldn’t raise an eyebrow.

The problem is that it’s not an isolated case. Taken into consideration with many other cases in this pontificate, it has become a pattern that is very troubling.

Time will tell.