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1 posted on 08/20/2014 6:25:11 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I call liberal white uninformed wasted angst.


2 posted on 08/20/2014 6:30:45 PM PDT by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Yes, I'm looking at the scene with a white Catholic gaze. But that's who I am. That's what I bring.

No, you're looking at the scene with a fool's gaze.

Like too many other incidents (Duke Lacrosse "rape" hoax, Tawana Brawley rape hoax, Trayvon Martin's death, ad nauseum), when the original story hits the newswires, good and decent people of any race are rightly appalled by the supposed crime. Only when the truth of what actually happened gets out, we change our minds and become appalled by the self-serving lies and ugly propaganda that the usual suspects have been dishing out.

Good and decent people are saddened by true acts of racial violence, however those mentioned above (and, increasingly it looks like the Brown shooting is another example) have turned out to be something entirely different. Whereas disreputable race-war-mongers like Sharpton and Jackson and their enablers in the government and media have a different reaction to reports of such incidents - rather than being saddened, they are overcome with glee as they see an opportunity to gain politically and financially from promoting the lies and false narrative of the event.

"White gaze"? How obnoxious and false a formulation can you racists come up with...

3 posted on 08/20/2014 6:36:34 PM PDT by Zeppo ("Happy Pony is on - and I'm NOT missing Happy Pony")
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To: Biggirl; Mrs. Don-o

Ping. The kind of thinking that got Obama 53% of the Catholic vote.


4 posted on 08/20/2014 6:44:25 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Only a specific Program, Plan, and Leadership will end the chaos of dysfunctional government.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There was a time when I referred to catholics in unflattering terms, but I grew older and mellowed. But I am getting back to the point where I have nothing nice to say about them when it comes to politics. People like the idiot author of this article are really making it hard for me say anything nice. Flame on, but this country is being driven into the ground by democrats, aided and abetted by the majority of catholics.


5 posted on 08/20/2014 6:46:27 PM PDT by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Progressives spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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“There is no way that I could have experienced what Trayvon Martin did (and other black people do) because I’m white and through white privilege I am immune to systemic racial profiling.”

This is another white apology article. NO, I don’t know what it’s like to be racially profiled but tired of having it thrown in my face. Black community needs to step up and take responsibility for their own families and lack thereof. Baby momma’s raising children by multiple men; generational food stamps, drugs, crime, black on black crimes and murders.

I want the black community to stop playing into the mentality of race baiting by Al Sharpton, Jessie Jackson, etc. They keep us divided. I want our President to quit throwing his comments into every white on black incident while ignoring the black on white knock out games.

I am just sick of it all- blacks rioting and looting is done to emit fear-fear to the point that police and others are afraid to respond because it will be considered just another attack on the black folks.

You have a right to protest but you do not have the right to destroy property in doing so.

I am tired of getting the chip on the shoulder look from a black person merely because I am courteous and hold the door for them when I am leaving- like, how dare you. I was raised to be courteous, so wtf’ever.

I am tired of the racial comments at work when a black employee who is not doing their job, calling in sick all the time and threatens to file a discrimination lawsuit against a boss for calling them out on their work ethics.

I am sick of black parents and other black kids telling children not to act white by doing good in school. Ironic isn’t it? Don’t do good in school so that you can have a better life down the road because somehow that makes you a white honkey. But yet you complain how it’s unfair that you can’t get a head because you were born black. Which is it? You want it both ways, that is, it’s whitey’s fault you just can’t get ahead in life.

Getting off my soapbox, fire away....


7 posted on 08/20/2014 6:47:43 PM PDT by Engedi
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Look at the source.

American churches have joined the government’s charity army and left God’s. For they can not serve two masters.


8 posted on 08/20/2014 6:51:43 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s not a racial issue.

It’s an issue of respecting legitimate authority.

Many criminals don’t respect legitimate authority. When they degenerate further they attack legitimate authority.

The dumb ones refuse to yield and when they attempt to use deadly force against those armed LEOs, they find themselves losing to the LEO who enforces his legitimate authority. It isn’t racial, but those who want to condone criminal behavior now attempt to rationalize their criminal thinking. They won’t change. They now seek to identify their race with criminal thinking and then try to rationalize their frustrations by blaming anybody who opposes their insatiable desires.


9 posted on 08/20/2014 7:25:01 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Bad things can happen to you when you commit robbery and assault, then punch a cop’s eye out and attempt to take his gun resulting in an unintentional discharge, then run away and charge at him when he tells you to halt.


10 posted on 08/20/2014 7:25:56 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The man who damns money obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it earned it." --Ayn Rand)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The police have been harmed, too. The community has lost respect, trust and confidence in them.

I disagree. Ferguson Mayor sent out a press release today saying that no Ferguson police are participating in protest control.

The children are being occupied as best can be by encouraging them to go to the community library between 9am and 4pm for classes and a quiet zone.

A protest for civil rights becomes hypocritical when violence is encouraged or excused. Nonviolent protests get the point across much better than a protest that devolves into looting and rioting, which becomes the focus as the original message fades quickly into the background. jProperty is important because property belongs to other individuals and destroying their businesses violates their own civil rights to 'life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness' - in this case, their very livelihoods.

11 posted on 08/20/2014 7:26:23 PM PDT by blueplum
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The National Catholic Reporter is a liberal newspaper.


12 posted on 08/20/2014 7:35:46 PM PDT by Gumdrop (~)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Meh - Catholics are for “Social Justice” or so claims the local “Catholic Charity” as they load up on tons of Gov’t swill.

The entire show in MO has turned into Kabuki Theater.

The Dems using it to PROVE it’s 1960 all over again, Civil Rights, Mississippi Burning never left and guess who the only party can protect the Pour and Starv’n?

Nixon is a pandering idiot and the Press is not just a willing accomplice, they are Fellow Travelers.

A pox on the lot of ‘em.


13 posted on 08/20/2014 7:52:14 PM PDT by ASOC (What are you doing now that Mexico has become OUR Chechnya?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

She’s been drinking the Communion wine, again, and in “massive quantities”.

White, liberal self-flagellation guilt trip.

In other words, she’s full of crap.


15 posted on 08/20/2014 8:02:10 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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The black children's fear instead of the police, should certainly be the black young and not so young men of their own community!

You know what I'm talking about even if the writer of this swill doesn't.

This sounds just like the same bilge that appears regularly in our local rag, the Kansas City (Red) Star!

Black pastors are out regularly on various street corners with black women and girls of the area, quoting scripture and bemoaning community neglect over the death of another black child or young person.

Unfortunately, on Sunday, those same pastors never, ever venture into the part of the bible that mentions chastity and the sin of fornication, of bringing children into the world without being married to the father of that child, about the tragedy of raising fatherless children, especially the boys.

Those same black pastors preach love, forgiveness, and the sin of racism inferring that some how the white community surrounding the urban core, is responsible for drive-by shootings over drug deals and gang bangers who feel "disrespected" by another person.

The editorial writers picking up on the same theme, continue the same narration of community neglect, poverty and racism is what is killing blacks in the neighborhood.

I'm sorry but I'm fresh out of sympathy here. Guys and gals who volunteer for jobs of attempting to protect the weak and innocent in the violent urban core not only care for those they are attempting to serve but place their very lives at risk each and every time they pin on the badge. Make mistakes, yes, errors in judgement under "fire" so to speak but many of those in the communities who do not appreciate their efforts, threaten them with violence and mayhem each and every day.

Anyone in the community not welcoming the police presence, is free to call drug dealers, people hopped up on PCP, or gang bangers when their child is missing, someone shoots up their homes or physically assaults the,.

16 posted on 08/20/2014 8:17:42 PM PDT by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This writer is an idiot... and reflects the worldview of most Catholics.


17 posted on 08/20/2014 8:37:58 PM PDT by Dr. Thorne ("Don't be afraid. Just believe." - Mark 5:36)
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I think a number of things about this column, and the Brown shooting and the aftermath. Above all, I believe what Proverbs says about the Lord hating when, knowingly, the innocent are convicted and the guilty are set free. In the Trayvon Martin case, the media coverage and even some of the government actions taken were so unjust that it almost made it too difficult to sort out the actual facts. I spent a lot of time on the internet talking to people, or trying to, about the facts of the case because I was concerned about all the misinformation being put out.

But also because I’m a Christian and believe the Lord requires me to pursue justice to the best of my ability, I have to say that there is quite a lot of open racism on the right, which comes out whenever something like this happens. I was disappointed to see WorldNetDaily, for example, which I respect quite a lot, also engage in some racism by offering as one choice in a poll on who is to blame in Ferguson, “the little white police department.”

All the racism I see on the right troubles me because in recent years I’ve gotten to know many black people on a personal level and some are good friends. That only happened fairly recently, though, because I lived in Buffalo, NY, most of my life, and it is also is a very segregated place, like St. Louis County is said to be. New York State has the most segregated schools in the country, which also means segregated neighborhoods, and that was my experience. I grew up in one of the suburbs, with just a few black children and no Hispanics that I recall, and until I was 36 (I’m 44 now), I never knew one black or Hispanic person on a personal level. I still might not, but the Lord threw me into such difficulties that I collected public assistance for a time and then went to work in a couple of factory jobs, and also couldn’t afford a car so I needed to take the bus. But I’m very grateful for those difficulties that the Lord had me go through, because otherwise I believe I would now have the type of life which my university education and the life I’d started to live as a lesbian would be expected to lead to.

And from the changes brought by my difficulties I also began to meet and get to know many black people, including some of them closely, as I said. I also have moved to the Bible belt, to one of the most integrated states. In fact, I’m writing right now from a very nice library in the “black section” of town, where both the patrons and staff are a racial mix, and every time I’m here I see white soccer moms with young children, so they can’t be afraid of coming here. And I started coming to this library without knowing at first that the surrounding neighborhood was predominantly black. I take the bus but didn’t pay attention to the scenery, and the side streets the bus goes down would look to a white person from Buffalo to be white suburbs, yet I can confirm now that most people I see living in the area are black. And in all my daily dealings lately with black people, including many at work, I haven’t detected that they want to or do harbor resentment and rage against white people for what happened in Missouri. I would not say that race is no longer an issue here, but the personal relationships between people of different races that most people seem to have certainly discourage both blacks and white from being hostile to friends of a different skin color because of what happened in Missouri. Or another way to put it is that as far as I’ve seen a great many people do just look at things as involving race in one way or another, but that it’s more important to look at people as individuals.

So, as a Christian who has gotten to know and care about a lot of black people, I hope the truth is established in Missouri, but know the Lord will take care of it, and I hope and pray that Christians who are white will also stop tolerating racism, because I know it isn’t right and is a most unchristian way to treat other people.


24 posted on 08/21/2014 3:04:28 PM PDT by Faith Presses On
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What can be worse than the death of a child?

He was 18. Old enough to enlist and be sent into harm's way. Just like many other 18 year old have been. I don't see her going on about their deaths. The brave young men we've lost protecting our freedom, protecting the rights of the rioters and looters and those making fools of themselves over a dead thug. Those brave young men weren't children. Neither was this thug.

25 posted on 08/21/2014 3:18:07 PM PDT by Hoffer Rand (Bear His image. Bring His message. Be the Church.)
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And I have one more thought to add as well. For awhile now I’ve been wondering if the divide between Catholics and other Christians has anything to do with racial segregation in our country. It doesn’t need to be said that most black people aren’t Catholic and there are relatively few Catholics in the U.S. who are. As I said, I come from Buffalo, which is 77% Catholic and highly segregated, and if you look at heavily Catholic areas racial segregation also seems high. The Northeast in general has been reported to have the most segregated schools, and is highly Catholic. Chicago, Detroit, Los Angeles, all well-known for their “ghettoes” but also highly Catholic and highly segregated. This incident happened in St. Louis County, which is the highly Catholic part of a state that isn’t highly Catholic. And Obama won St. Louis County yet it’s said to be highly segregated. In Baton Rouge, Louisiana, another highly Catholic area, some white citizens are trying to break away from it in order to form a city that’s mostly white for the sake of schools.

The questions I’ve had, then, is if the divide between Catholics and other Christians has contributed to racial segregation, and if so, how has it and how much has it. I’m an evangelical Christian who believes that the Catholic Church is in the wrong on a number of things, but my beliefs on Catholic doctrine aren’t the way in which these questions came up for me. During the 2012 election, some liberals starting talking about racism in the South as Rick Santorum started winning there, and the liberals talking about it included people at the Guardian, who seemed to think that racism in America was a Southern thing. I did some digging then and found the U.K. itself is over 90% white, and also started looking at Northern racism, and how much of it exists in strongly Democratic states. Now more recently I’ve looked at segregation in highly Catholic areas, that also happen to be strongly Democratic areas.


30 posted on 08/21/2014 4:02:00 PM PDT by Faith Presses On
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
This person is guilty of that which she complains about: “white people making judgments”

She assumes “facts” not in evidence, ignores or down plays other “facts” that don't fit the narrative she apparently desires.

We don't know whether or not the officer is guilty of inappropriate use of force. That is a decision belonging only to the jury who hears the case.

She is violating one of the first principles of civil rights: the presumption of innocence. The officer and the dead man are both presumed innocent at this point.

Rumor and counter rumor are not evidence. I'll wait for the real trial, not this media circus.

37 posted on 08/21/2014 7:23:11 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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