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A New Direction in (Catholic) Church Design
Crisis Magazine ^ | August 27, 2014 | MICHAEL TAMARA

Posted on 08/27/2014 3:30:10 PM PDT by NYer

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To: Biggirl

God allows a lot, in His mercy. He allowed sinners to kill His Son, most of all. And you also know that He allows us to go on sinning for a long time when He could just end us all. The Bible says He is long suffering and doesn’t just do that, although the ugliness and blackness of our hearts repels him like a child rapist/murderer repels us, out of His love and compassion. So look at all the temporary fixes we may have in life, that He allows us to lean on for a time until we come to know that He is all we need. If we have Him, meaning that we’ve been reconciled to Him through Jesus’ sacrifice on the Cross, then we know, as the Bible says, that our home isn’t here, and that if we suffer, it’s for the cause of the Gospel, so that ever since the earliest days of the Church there have been martyrs given the grace to not hang on to their lives here at all costs but who suffer torture and death yet maintain peace because of the eternal assurance they have.

If someone doesn’t have that assurance, though, then the reality of Hell after life is what they’re left with. Not my words, but Jesus’ warning, and the reality we all live with. Christians have assurance they won’t suffer that, and the aroma of their assurance of life is a comfort to them, but smells like death to those who are perishing, the Bible says.

Now, then, take for instance well-off people who have everything but Jesus and yet are anxious and depressed and constantly looking for things to fix their lives and keep them entertained or occupied. Psychology likely says they’re ill and need an anti-depressant, but the discomfort they feel is a warning to them that then gets medicated away. And why does psychology say that? Because to psychology, we are just advanced animals, and aging and death are just natural processes, and once life here is over, it’s all over, so best to make your life “meaningful” and not worry about what happens after you die because, to psychology, nothing does. It holds the exact same humanist and secular outlook on life and human life as those who support abortion. There is some natural knowledge about our psychology that is true. For example, some things said about reward and punishment. We can use psychology then when we train animals, and also to some extent in dealing with people. And, there is some truth in psychology about how our biology is involved. It looks at how our senses work, including things like how we have color vision, and how our brain and nervous systems work, but even there its secularism starts to take over. It has started to say that everything is brain, and so there’s a medication to correct things, although it will also admit that things like looking at pornography have negative physical effects on people, including in their brains. We also when looking at psychology have to be on guard for values and beliefs that oppose Christianity but might seem “true” to us, and since we are Christians, remember that we are to become more and more reliant on the Lord. If we will ask for His wisdom, He’ll give it to us.


61 posted on 08/28/2014 4:21:13 PM PDT by Faith Presses On
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To: cloudmountain

It’s really not that long of a paragraph, is it? I happened to be writing on a library computer that was going to be shutting down in less than 20 seconds when I finished writing, so I didn’t have time for anything more. Is it also that important a matter, more important than even what’s said?


62 posted on 08/28/2014 4:23:24 PM PDT by Faith Presses On
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To: Campion

There has been slavery and segregation in one form or another all over the world, so that the Bible is full of mention of it. The Israelites were even supposed to segregate themselves. What exactly are you referring to, then?

And I am talking about the U.S. right now, in the world we live in today.


63 posted on 08/28/2014 4:36:28 PM PDT by Faith Presses On
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To: Salvation

Catholics were also involved in slavery.

And let me add a little more about my hometown, Buffalo. 77% Catholic, as I mentioned. And it’s a well-accepted belief that in the 60’s, I believe, the University at Buffalo’s modern campus was built in suburban Amherst rather than downtown because of whites wanting to avoid black people. Then it was found that the Walden Galleria mall, built in the late 80’s, secretly made sure that city buses wouldn’t be allowed on its property. That came to light after a young black woman was hit and killed trying to cross an extremely busy intersection when going from the bus stop on her way to her job in the mall. And there have been other similar public issues where race was involved, and I can say too that I heard plenty of talk from white people over the years which showed that they believed black people were inferior.


64 posted on 08/28/2014 4:44:21 PM PDT by Faith Presses On
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To: metmom

Yes, I remember Jimmy Griffin, although I was only growing up when he was mayor. I spent my childhood in Orchard Park and lived much of the last twenty years in South Buffalo, with a little time in North Buffalo and Lackawanna and out in Chaffee.


65 posted on 08/28/2014 4:47:50 PM PDT by Faith Presses On
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To: NYer

Thank you! I look at these buildings and I get a sense of... relief. A pause in the 40-year war on Beauty.


66 posted on 08/28/2014 4:51:12 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: NKP_Vet

I’m a Christian who believes in the Bible, which has made me more Republican and conservative than anything else, but most importantly is being Christian. Jesus is the truth so the truth is what I seek. If I know that there’s racism that goes against Christianity, I’m going to say something about it, even if it’s conservative or Republican. Conservatives or Republicans didn’t die for the sins of mankind. On the other hand, where there is injustice in claiming racism, as there was so much of in the Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman case, I’m going to speak out against that. And below is a post I made here on one lie the media made up about George Zimmerman, who, as you know, is a Catholic.

“Reporter Matthew DeLuca slandered Zimmerman; now at NBC (vanity)

Posted on 6/29/2013 12:51:38 PM by Faith Presses On

There are of course many lies that the media have circulated about the Trayvon Martin case, and among them is one put out by a Daily Beast writer, Matthew DeLuca, that says George Zimmerman was so racist he once called police to report a 7-9 year old black boy as suspicious. During the uproar last year, many people screaming on the internet for Zimmerman’s arrest brought that “fact” up, but it was a complete and seemingly shameless lie by DeLuca, who works now, ironically, for NBC News. The fact that he could put forward and get away with such a lie, which played a small but definite part in the hysteria, really shows the degenerate and dishonest state of the media today.”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3037152/posts


67 posted on 08/28/2014 4:54:07 PM PDT by Faith Presses On
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To: CodeToad
I don’t think Jesus would approve of the untold riches used to build them.

Why?

Doesn't God deserve the best that we can give to Him in terms of worship?

Recall the incident with the woman who perfumed the feet of Jesus.

And the fact that the Temple was lavishly adorned.

Finally, skimping on a Church, which is open to all parishioners, both rich and poor, has been called "stealing from the poor."

68 posted on 08/28/2014 4:54:45 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: metmom
Funny how I see so much criticism for non-Catholic mega churches and ones like the Crystal Cathedral

Maybe because it looks like an office building, like many modern Catholic churches. Ironically, it is a Catholic church now.

69 posted on 08/28/2014 5:03:08 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: metmom
All this bragging on what the church is doing, has gotten its reward in this world from the attention it has gotten.

So Protestants can slander the Church for "wasting" money on churches while skimping on charity, but Catholics can't respond with facts?

Are those your rules?

70 posted on 08/28/2014 5:05:18 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: al_c

I’m glad to hear that. But you know that having people from Kenya isn’t the same as having African-Americans in some respects. I do know that there are some African-American Catholics, but the point is segregation in communities. And I’ll also add that after being highly segregated from black and Hispanic people until I was in my 30’s, I did through different problems I had that made me low-wage earning I did get to know many of them. Now I’m in Lexington, Kentucky, and it is far more integrated than Buffalo or anywhere else in the Northeast that I’m familiar with, and I believe if the white people in Buffalo saw pictures of the “black section” of town, they would assume that these were white neighborhoods. Kentucky is one of the most integrated states in terms of schooling, and in Lexington white people are often in the “black section,” and many black people live outside of it, so that you’ll see a mix of races everywhere. But when I looked into Louisville, which is much more Catholic, it is desegregated school-wise due to busing, but it’s said to continue to be heavily segregated by neighborhood.


71 posted on 08/28/2014 5:32:30 PM PDT by Faith Presses On
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To: Biggirl

Well, I know that my life is still affected by what my grandparents born around or just before 1900 were like and did. And I also know that every issue besides racism is a concern to people. That’s why it’s all fought so heavily in our society and in politics. And what’s said is that if some policy or action is or isn’t taken, people will benefit or else be harmed. Why doesn’t race matter, then? I’m not going to ever assume either way in a situation, that it matters or it doesn’t, or that anyone is guilty of racism just because they are black, or white, or whatever race or anything else, like a party or religion. But where there is racism, which is against the Christian faith, I’ll be against it. Sometimes it’s openly stated, and sometimes it’s not, but either way it’s wrong.


72 posted on 08/28/2014 5:39:08 PM PDT by Faith Presses On
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To: Faith Presses On

My dad grew up in South Buffalo, but moved north when he had the chance, out of the snow belt.


73 posted on 08/28/2014 6:07:07 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Faith Presses On

“But when I looked into Louisville, which is much more Catholic, it is desegregated school-wise due to busing, but it’s said to continue to be heavily segregated by neighborhood”.

All over the country blacks move in and white move out. Been that way for 50 years. The reason? The majority of blacks bring with them crime and everything else. No sane person wants their neighborhood destroyed by anyone, makes no difference what color they are. All over the country, neighborhoods that used to be predominately white are now black and are the ghetto, with bars on store windows and businesses that have gone out of business. There is so many empty buildings in Buffalo, that were once thriving neighborhoods, full of people that gave back to the community and were proud of their community, now they are trashy ghettos that cab drivers are scared to drive through and cops dread policing. Thank LBJ and his social welfare giveaway programs for the state of affairs that blacks find themselves in all over the country. And any person with a brain that has a kid in school in towns like Buffalo needs to send their child to a private school if they want them to get an education. Either a private school or they go to a public school and have to walk through medal detectors and say good morning to the deputy sheriff that’s permanently assigned to the district. And if the kid makes it to class they’ll have a hard time finding a quality teacher. Most teachers have been ran out of public schools in fear of their life. Most don’t want to be shot or stabbed.


74 posted on 08/28/2014 6:53:42 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: Faith Presses On

Everyone was involved in slavery. How many of the founders had slaves?

Only one was Catholic.

Why are you blaming the Catholics?


75 posted on 08/28/2014 7:05:08 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NKP_Vet

“The Catholic Church been practicing what Christ instructed it to do 2,000 years ago. End of story.”

I think perhaps you missed the story He told about the widow’s mites.


76 posted on 08/28/2014 7:28:36 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "I didn't leave the Central Oligarchy Party. It left me." - Ronaldus Maximus)
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To: stonehouse01

“The human mind works by association. Lofty architecture = heaven for the illiterate folds”

Sounds like they are poorly catechized...


77 posted on 08/28/2014 7:33:30 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "I didn't leave the Central Oligarchy Party. It left me." - Ronaldus Maximus)
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To: Faith Presses On

We’ve got home grown blacks too.


78 posted on 08/28/2014 7:40:18 PM PDT by al_c (Obama's standing in the world has fallen so much that Kenya now claims he was born in America.)
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To: CodeToad

“Not really. They are looked down on.”

So, you have looked into the way poor people are treated at Sunday Mass?


79 posted on 08/29/2014 12:05:13 AM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: metmom

“All this bragging”

How deceitful. These things are brought up, in response to criticism, in the attempt to explain one simple fact of life: if you want to do good on a large scale over the long term, you must have large-scale assets.

Oh, and God deserves our best, and it should be clear that a place of worship is a very special place.

Selah.

Eject.


80 posted on 08/29/2014 12:10:24 AM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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