Posted on 09/05/2014 7:32:39 AM PDT by GoSpiritGo
I sorta wish that, once this was done, that there would never again be the temptation to sin or to fall back into sin but all Christians do to one degree or another. We are still fallen man, even after we've received Christ as Savior, though we are to be dead to its desires.
What it boils down to is two concepts:
Do you believe in "once saved, always saved"? Paul says in Romans we are sealed in the Holy Spirit and that God is mightier than the world so a Believer is always saved*.
*The exception is the "unpardonable sin" which is explained as "grieving the Holy Spirit". Many see that as committing suicide but we never get a further clarification.
The other concept is whether you believe in predestination. I believe God has so crafted our environment that both free will and predestination exist - that man has a free will to choose salvation but that God ultimately calls those He chooses to be saved.
In short, many who pretend to be Christians will be rejected by Christ and many who chosen, saved and then fell back into sin (at least for a time) are still saved. Christ knows His sheep and His sheep hear His voice. Like sheep we stray from the fold, at times, but Our Lord does not reject us. Rather He comes for us to lead us back according to His timing.
As for the practicing homosexual, I would predict that some are saved Christians but they will be the ones who recognize it as sin and wrestle with the urge. The ones marching in parades and demanding homosexual marriage are probably not these people.
So Osteen is correct but incorrect. God does love us all, including homosexuals, and wishes all to be saved. But clearly not everyone will be saved and it is Christ who will do the choosing, not Joel Osteen.
To consider rebuking the apostles, though, would seem to misunderstand the role of the Holy Spirit in the writing of Scripture and once people decide that they can discard certain parts of the Scripture, they deny its inerrancy and once you deny that, what have you left to stand on?
Osteen also told Piers Morgan that he would have no problem attending a homosexual “wedding.”
I hear only a handful of preachers really proclaiming the Word of the Lord. David Lankford among one of them. All the New Testament authors proclaim there will be hell to pay if we didn't follow the narrow path.
oh i’d say he is a very smart con man who knows exactly what he is doing.
He didn’t join today?? http://www.freerepublic.com/~gospiritgo/
i once read that some thought the unpardonable sin might include grieving the Holy Spirit in the sense that a believer attribute an action by The Lord as being from the enemy or of evil intent. Hope not - i am guilty of that myself. Perhaps it means turning your back on Him, breaking his heart. I hope I haven’t done that. Though Scripture does seem to say that once saved, always saved otherwise. The Lord is extremely patient and forgiving - He is indeed a true friend who shows true love to us.
Wonder about their 10 million dollar house.
I believe that too.
Question is, does Osteen.
Facts, schmacts. I’m gonna be a liberal. Just because he joined today, DOES NOT MEAN HE JOINED TODAY.
“... he has come out boldly to infer indirectly ...”
The sentence contains a passive point but, qualified with “Boldly”?
Uhmmmm....K
Imply is what I impart to you and infer is what you conclude or deduce.
But, where is the link to those statements?
For more on Osteen and other megachurch pastor hi-jinks search keyword YBPDLN
Be sure you take a shower after that experience.
Silly missnry. Liberals don’t take showers!
Whoa!!!
Good catch. I have problems with the content of the post but, didn’t detect nOOb sludge.
“On the other hand, if they continue in their sinful behavior, they will never enter the Kingdom of Heaven.”
All continue sinful behavior, whether one sin’s differently then another is irrelevant.
Romans 6: 1-23:
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
EPHESIANS 2:
8 FOR BY GRACE ARE YE SAVED THROUGH FAITH; AND THAT NOT OF YOURSELVES: IT IS THE GIFT OF GOD:
9 NOT OF WORKS, LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST.
1 JOHN 1:
7 BUT IF WE WALK IN THE LIGHT, AS HE IS IN THE LIGHT, WE HAVE FELLOWSHIP ONE WITH ANOTHER, AND THE BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST HIS SON CLEANSETH US FROM ALL SIN.
8 IF WE SAY THAT WE HAVE NO SIN, WE DECEIVE OURSELVES, AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN US.
Galatians 2:21:
I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain
GoSpiritGo
Since Sep 5, 2014
The partial headline, the year-old publication date, and Sopater's name listed as author were all clues that prompted me to check out the poster's history. I'm guessing that some people were just too busy hitting it to notice these things.
This is quite a hit piece on Joel Osteen...
This statement about universalism is not what Joel is teaching...He is teaching the biblical truth that all people CAN be saved no matter what you are or what you've done...
I'm not a big fan of Joel Osteen since he doesn't teach (on tv) the 'whole counsel of God'...But to watch so much scripture be taken out of context to attack him is disgraceful...
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