Your familiarity with Paisley's ministry is lacking, and it is clear that you must not have ever heard him preach a sermon.
FReegards!
Posted on 09/12/2014 6:15:51 AM PDT by marshmallow
The Rev Ian Paisley, Protestant firebrand and former leader of the Democratic Unionist Party, has died at the age of 88.
The Rev Paisley served as First Minister of Northern Ireland for a year when power was first devolved in 2007.
His deputy, Martin McGuinness of Sinn Féin, expressed sadness at the news of his death.
“Over a number of decades we were political opponents and held very different views on many, many issues but the one thing we were absolutely united on was the principle that our people were better able to govern themselves than any British government,” he said.
“I want to pay tribute to and comment on the work he did in the latter days of his political life in building agreement and leading unionism into a new accommodation with republicans and nationalists.
(Excerpt) Read more at catholicherald.co.uk ...
Your familiarity with Paisley's ministry is lacking, and it is clear that you must not have ever heard him preach a sermon.
FReegards!
Fundamentalism vs Apostasy changed my life.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIxkrFgb0CI
“The IRA would never “stir things up”?”
Oh, they sure did. Lots of stuff that never made it to the US news. But Ian Paisley did his bit, too.
Yes, my sentiments also.
A wonderful video. A collection of quotations by truly great preachers of the past, Paisley, Ravenhill, etc., producing the answer, the ONLY answer for this sin cursed age we live in, true repentance, true revival.
The revival hymn of your video fits all of us, Protestant, Catholic, and ordinary sinners. It affected me greatly, brought me to my knees.
The other video in your previous post, another sermon of Paisley, was spot on also. God bless you, sir.
One of those thinks that looks strange either way. :)
“Which “fellow Christians” are those?”
Catholics.
“You don’t mean these guys, do you . . . ?”
No, more like this:
Paisley's "ministry" was predominantly activist and political. I think it's fair to say that the primary focus of his work was not to bring people to Jesus as individuals but to ensure that collectively the (then) majority Protestant north, never fell under the sway of the hated, predominantly Catholic south. He wanted to ensure that Northern Ireland remained firmly tied to the United Kingdom. I have no doubt that he preached within the confines of his relatively small Free Presbyterian Church but that ministry was not the primary focus of his energies. He was not an evangelist as we understand the term here. I would say he was more akin to activist "reverends" like Sharpton and Jackson, although obviously their politics are worlds apart.
As the UK ineroxably embraced homosexual "rights", and other moral aberrations, I think he felt betrayed and he gradually retreated from view. He was also seriously ill in 2005 and later admitted to "walking with death" and I guess it's possible that this also affected his public personna.
That’s one of his most downloaded sermons on sermonaudio.com so I listened to it a few years ago. Great sermon!
Since I lived in Ireland, I think I might know more about this subject than you. RTE was fond of playing footage of Paisley at his most vociferous (as was UTV for the record), and the only time I got to hear the other side of the story is when I moved to the US.
I have no time for any pro-”Palestinians” whether they call themselves “Catholic” or not. I have less time for the Irischer Zeiten, with all due respect, given their recent pro-EU/anti-Irish-independence stance.
I’m not surprised you don’t agree. You saying it’s poor exegesis doesn’t make it so. I know what I believe and I know why. I’m not arguing over it. I didn’t always believe it. For years I was influenced by Chuck Colson. I naively considered Rome a Christian church. Interestingly enough, it was a former RCC priest who convinced me I was wrong about Rome.
As for my list of luminaries, I didn’t put that list there for Catholics. I put that list there for slumbering Protestants. I put them there so those who think they know something because they read Hal Lindsey or went to a prophecy conference might compare and contrast the weight of the men they’ve been influenced by and those giants who held a different view. We know truth is not derived from men. If we believed that we would be Romanists. However, when a group of godly men like those I listed speak with one voice on Rome, it seems wise for Protestants today to stop and carefully consider what they had to say. Moreover, I could name dozens more Protestant luminaries who held the same view.
I praise the Lord for opening my eyes and teaching me the truth.
“It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.”
—John 6:45
“Since I lived in Ireland, I think I might know more about this subject than you.”
In other words, you have no real response to the article I posted that listed so many damning statements from Paisley.
“RTE was fond of playing footage of Paisley at his most vociferous (as was UTV for the record), and the only time I got to hear the other side of the story is when I moved to the US.”
Vociferous is one thing. Vile and hateful is another. Paisley apparently was all three. Deal with it.
“I have no time for any pro-”Palestinians” whether they call themselves “Catholic” or not.”
So you think Paisley’s vile statements from 1968 - THAT’S 1968! - were all about ‘pro-”Palestinians”’? Get real.
“I have less time for the Irischer Zeiten, with all due respect, given their recent pro-EU/anti-Irish-independence stance.”
Your FEELINGS about an Irish newspaper in no way change the fact that Paisley said what he said. The problem with your post is not the so-called “pro-Palestinians”. It isn’t the Irish Times. The problem is the undeniable reality of Paisley’s vile nature as demonstrated by his own words and actions.
Your response was “no real response”. If you don’t like my anecdotes from my personal experience, that is merely your problem.
The Irish Times in my day was known as the pro-Protestant/pro-English paper. Now it is pro-European Union. So you will forgive me if I take the context of Paisley’s quotes from that paper with a grain of salt, especially since his latter actions are more important than his former and even more since I regard the IRA and Sinn Féin (who many Catholics were foolish enough to support, foolish since they are socialists that were and are a greater danger to their religion than the DUP) as the greater evil.
If you’re worried about misinformed insult, you must not be very confident in your faith. Look to the Apostles, I suggest.
He was certainly political, but I don’t agree that was his primary focus. I’ve probably listened to 250 of his sermons over the years. I haven’t done any analysis of his sermon topics so I may be all wet, but I think of him predominantly as a preacher of the gospel. I see his politics as an extension of his Christian beliefs. I believe he felt it was his Christian duty to defend his land against the tyranny of Rome, just as many other Christians have done through the ages.
“What Think Ye of Christ”
http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=53141611272
Well said
I couldn’t say it any better. And I’m glad you listened to his sermon. I’ve heard it, but it’s been a long time. I think I will listen to it again later.
Soli Deo Gloria!
Yeah. and in American Colonial times I am reasonably certain that there were those like yourself that probably lodged the same kind of criticisms against Jonathan Edwards and George Whitefield as they led what became the "Great Awakening" which ultimately led to the signing of such things as the Declaration of Independence by mere "activist" politicians like John Witherspoon, coincidentally a Presbyterian minister.
I have no doubt that he preached within the confines of his relatively small Free Presbyterian Church but that ministry was not the primary focus of his energies. He was not an evangelist as we understand the term here.
Those who are ministers of churches (e.g., the New Testament, Timothy) are not in all cases called to be evangelists (e.g., the Apostle Paul). There are some who are -- my own current pastor in fact -- but not all ministers of churches are called to be evangelists. Many are gifted teachers and studied theologians, who nurture their local congregations and do not have the same visibility or audience as typically do itinerant "evangelists."
Here are an assortment of sermons for you to acquaint yourself better with Paisley.
As to what ever it is that you meant to intimate regarding the "small" size of his church, the Scriptures speak of the value of the "remnant" (Romans 9:27, 11:5), as opposed to "broad-is-the-Way" style mega-churches. Still, even for being such a remnant, the Free Presbyterians in Northern Ireland had at one point ~ 60 congregations and ~ 100 congregations spanning several continents worldwide with a total of roughly 10,000 congregants.
Paisley's church founded and operates a college in Northern Ireland (Whitefield), and a seminary in Greenville, SC from which my own brother -- the other kid in the picture I posted earlier -- graduated (Geneva).
FReegards!
RIP.
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