Posted on 09/14/2014 12:07:39 PM PDT by Gamecock
A single mother, people who have been married before and couples who have been living together "in sin" were married by Pope Francis in a taboo-challenging ceremony at the Vatican on Sunday.
In another signal of the openness of his papacy, Francis asked to marry 40 people from different social backgrounds who would be a realistic sample of modern couples.
It comes three weeks before a major synod of the Catholic Church will discuss the divisive issues of marriage, divorce and conception.
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If the existence of liars somehow calls into question the very existence of the annulment process, then it must call into question the existence of ALL institutions and processes, such as civil courts, that involve the testimony of witnesses.
Some who know, with 100% certainty, that their previous marriage was NOT sacramentally valid resist or avoid the formal annulment process due to the instability of their previous spouse.
And these people HAVE NO VALID IMPEDIMENT TO REMMARIAGE!
However, the self righteous seem to have no problem with the phony, fraudulent “annulments” granted to people who did not deserve them. (The Kennedy family comes to mind).
Its scandalous for the pope to promote such an irregular arrangement, knowing that many, many people will walk away with the impression that that sort of thing is "no big deal" these days.
Whoa, an end to the selling of annulments?
I’ve never heard of anyone who doesn’t have a problem with the various Kennedys’ phony annulments whose name isn’t Kennedy.
Joe Kennedy’s ex-wife appealed the decision of the corrupt Archdiocese of Boston and Rome sided with her.
Still no idea who these “self-righteous” are who have no problem with phony annulments.
As for uncooperative or dangerous ex-spouses, any tribunal can handle such a situation. It certainly should not cause the process to come to a screeching halt.
Very often, people fail to speak up for themselves, and then blame someone else (like the tribunal) for failing to respond to the situation.
I have dealt personally with people who would not initiate the process at all, simply out of fear, or sloth, or something.
I’ll be charitable and assume the couple confessed and lived apart until the wedding.
Tribunals FREQUENTLY mail questionnaires to family members with Alzheimer's or mental illnesses or other problems, even when warned in advance.
NO! In a Confessional I can chose who to spill my guts to.
And I can present what evidence I have for my decisions and my plan for corrective action, if needed, and seek approval from a Priest I trust.
In the “internal forum” I make the examination of conscience PERSONALLY, and present my case, directly to God with no intercession required by any Priest or Bishop.
Of course, I am free to discuss any matter of conscience with any Priest, if I so desire, to assist with my personal decisions. In the formal annulment process? People I do not know, of questionable competence and questionable family loyalties and prejudices, ask me to fill out silly paperwork that they really are often not trained to understand.
And those who SUBMIT the paperwork simply go online to look up the “buzzwords” they need to use to be “annulled” anyway.
The Formal Tribunal does not “grant” annulments at all. The Tribunal acts on what is presented to the Tribunal, and it either recognizes that the marriage was valid or invalid from the start.
The Tribunal has NO power to cause any marriage to be invalid or valid.
Your position is absurd on several counts.
Start with the notion that any woman is obligated, somehow, to marry the father of their child.
This is FALSE and even the most devout supporters of the Tribunal process realize that “shot gun marriages” have always been grounds for annulment after the fact.
Bet you he start marrying queers within 2 years.
Generally speaking, I believe a man has the obligation to marry a woman if he gets her pregnant. I understand there are circumstances in which this would be inadvisable or even impossible, but for the pope to specifically request a couple with the arrangement in question in scandalous, because to many observers, it smacks of implicit approval of irregular situations that should, in fact, be strongly discouraged.
I agree. I would add "told to go to confession" to your comments though.
I don’t think it is scandalous...maybe he is trying to bring people back to the church and a more moral way of life.
Of course it is not “no big deal” but it seems to be very prevalent. So if he can bring back someone, why not? You can’t change the past...but you can change the future.
Myself...if my marriage were presided over by a Pope I would mind my P’s and Q’s. And I’m not Catholic. :)
point of order. ANYONE who had married a Kennedy, by definition, didn’t marry a stable, sound person. The men, certainly are all mentally unstable, only seeing women as “playthings” just like Grandpa Joe who brought his whores (can you say whores on Free Republic?) home. Nope. I’d grant an automatic annulment to anyone who was ignorant enough to marry into that family.
spoken like Judas Iscariot.
point taken, but of course, what of the women who marry a Kennedy and do not want an annulment?
The way this is (predictably) being portrayed as a "taboo-challenging" ceremony is guaranteed to create the false impression among many observers that the Church's teachings are "evolving" in response to the on-going moral depredation of the surrounding culture.
True "mercy" requires that Francis and his handlers not shirk their responsibility to communicate Church teachings in full.
Exactly, and it's kind of presumptuous of someone who doesn't know these people to assume they're still 'in sin'. How do we know they didn't make a full confession, and be absolved, before entering into the Sacrament of Matrimony. Charity, folks.
Agreed 100%
Don’t worry. It will all get straighten out in purgatory. ;O)
Why are you posting this? You Protestants do this every day and no one raises an eyebrow...
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