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Pope Breaks Taboo By Marrying Couples Who Lived 'In Sin'
Business Insider ^ | Sep. 14, 2014 | Ljubomir Milasin, AFP

Posted on 09/14/2014 12:07:39 PM PDT by Gamecock

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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

Your judgment reflects prejudice.


61 posted on 09/14/2014 5:51:47 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Stone cold sober, as a matter of fact.)
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To: ravenwolf
I had a schoolmate who was married to a man who BEAT the living daylights out of her. They had FIVE children.
FINALLY her mother told her to go to her priest and tell him of the beatings.

After investigating the marriage the Church found that her husband was a brute and was intending to beat her AFTER the wedding since he THOUGHT that divorce was verboten to Catholics.

The Church said: Husband was dead wrong. The marriage vows were broken with the beatings and future of continual beatings. THAT was NO marriage. No "love" and "honor" there, past, present and future.

She got an annulment; the children were NOT bastards and she was free to wed again. She married again to a really nice guy and she is happy again.

Not often I get to see a happy ending. My old school mate deserved the happy ending.

62 posted on 09/14/2014 5:52:56 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Mrs. Don-o

It’s the Pope, so it is implied. Or something.

“One of the couples he married was single mother Gabriella and her partner Guido, whose previous marriage was annulled by an ecclesiastical tribunal.”

I infer that this has never happened before in the Church! The Pope is breaking new ground with his radical changes and flim-flammery! He will be marrying gays within 24 months!! See how this is supposed to work? Get with it already.

Freegards


63 posted on 09/14/2014 5:53:52 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: GeronL
Apparently the Pope thinks some sins are okay

Which ones would those be?

64 posted on 09/14/2014 5:54:12 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: livius

I remember reading somewhere that couples (not Catholics) often slept together JUST to be assured that “Myrtle” WAS indeed fertile.


65 posted on 09/14/2014 5:55:54 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: ravenwolf; Arthur McGowan

As Fr. Arthur McGowan commented in a previous response, there is no “taboo” here. These situation occur in every parish and are handled the same way. As long as the to-be-marrieds are eligible to marry each other, there’s no canonical impediment, and they are in a state of grace (having repented previous sins with a firm desire of amendment) they really can’t be denied marriage. None of these situations are, on the face of them, in violation of Canon Law.


66 posted on 09/14/2014 5:57:12 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Stone cold sober, as a matter of fact.)
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To: GeronL

Which sins do you think he thinks are OK, based on this article?


67 posted on 09/14/2014 5:58:14 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Stone cold sober, as a matter of fact.)
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To: Kansas58
There are some self righteous jerks on these Freeper threads who have argued these points with me before. It is my sincere hope that the Pope soon puts the falsely pious in their places!

1. "self righteous jerks"??? HERE? Lol. Noooooooooooooo.

2. The Pope won't put the falsely pious in their places. Our good Lord will do that.

68 posted on 09/14/2014 5:58:19 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: ravenwolf
"No the mother does not have to marry the father of her child, she can be a bitch."

That's an exceptionally foul and malicious thing to say.

69 posted on 09/14/2014 5:59:53 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Stone cold sober, as a matter of fact.)
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To: cloudmountain
And to non-Catholics even understand the Sacrament of Penance? That sins can be forgiven by God?

Catechism of the Catholic Church

 

1449 The formula of absolution used in the Latin Church expresses the essential elements of this sacrament: the Father of mercies is the source of all forgiveness. He effects the reconciliation of sinners through the Passover of his Son and the gift of his Spirit, through the prayer and ministry of the Church:

 

God, the Father of mercies,
through the death and the resurrection of his Son
has reconciled the world to himself
and sent the Holy Spirit among us
for the forgiveness of sins;
through the ministry of the Church
may God give you pardon and peace,
and I absolve you from your sins in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.


70 posted on 09/14/2014 5:59:53 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: metmom

The Church is constantly to be reformed. Ecclesia semper reformandi.


71 posted on 09/14/2014 6:02:17 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Stone cold sober, as a matter of fact.)
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To: onedoug
He did this with no instruction with regard to Catholic marriage, at all? And how many of these were non-Catholics?
I smell a an ecclesiastical rat, and wow!, does it ever stink.

It's my experience that we, the common folks, RARELY, if ever, get all the facts. I don't think we have them here either. [Sgt. Friday, from Dragnet: "Just the facts, ma'am."] Lol. I'm old; I remember those things.

The Pope will go "by the Book" because that is what he does. He's the Vicar (Lieutenant) of Christ, that's all. Nothing more, nothing less.
His peers elected him because of his faith, intellect and backbone.

I don't know if your remember Pope Benedict. He was KNOWN for having:
1. a TOWERING intellect and
2. a backbone of tempered steel.

I don't doubt that Pope Francis I is the SAME.
How else could he have survived all the Church politics?

72 posted on 09/14/2014 6:05:25 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: metmom
I mean "Ecclesia semper reformanda."

I don't know if that was a typo or a grammar-o.

73 posted on 09/14/2014 6:05:32 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Stone cold sober, as a matter of fact.)
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To: Ransomed

“Any stick...”


74 posted on 09/14/2014 6:06:18 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Stone cold sober, as a matter of fact.)
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To: cloudmountain

Or that he had “what it takes.” It wasn’t always her fault, and women wanted children even more than men. And still do.


75 posted on 09/14/2014 6:06:53 PM PDT by livius
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To: piusv

“Go to confession” for a cohabiting couple wanting a Catholic marriage would be the first thing! Then they’d be told to separate until the wedding.


76 posted on 09/14/2014 6:08:22 PM PDT by livius
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To: cloudmountain

That is true; a marriage that is entered into on a wrongful basis is not a marriage, and that’s the reason for annulments.


77 posted on 09/14/2014 6:09:49 PM PDT by livius
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To: Mrs. Don-o
"If she had a child and the child's natural father wasn't married to her, isn't married to her, was married to her but isn't any more, and/or won't marry her..."

I'll let you play a little guessing game with yourself and decide which of these allow for the person in question to marry and which don't.

Now, per the social teaching of the Catholic Church the ideal situation is for children to be legitimately born into a family, and I assume you realize that extra-marital sex is a grave sin. It is most assuredly a sticky situation for someone to get knocked up by one person, and then go marry another. Thats not to say that such a situation cannot come about legitimately, but it is an irregular, discouragable situation. For Francis to make a big show pf specifically requesting to publically marry people in such in situation, especially without vocally reminding the faithful to conscientiously avoid getting themselves into such circumstances, is yet another instance in his long history of showing his contempt for the way things have been done and ought to be done. He cannot be ignorant of the message it sends for him to ostentatiously marry people in such an irregular situation (and put beach balls on altars, and declare "who am I to judge, etc). Its the message he wants to sent.

78 posted on 09/14/2014 6:10:02 PM PDT by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Asperges me, Domine, hyssopo et mundabor, Lavabis me, et super nivem dealbabor.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I am a gentleman and many know who I am.

I refuse to give evidence or details as many would make assumptions as to the cases involved.

However? The “internal forum” should be a valid option for those who KNOW that the formal annulment Tribunal would be problematic.


79 posted on 09/14/2014 6:10:35 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: livius
Or that he had “what it takes.” It wasn’t always her fault, and women wanted children even more than men. And still do.

NO ONE really ever knows what goes on between husband and wife. Sometimes THEY aren't even aware of what's really going on.

So, judging married couples by what WE see and hear and/or what THEY say together or separately isn't always easy.

Couples usually discuss children before marriage. But even THAT can change when the time comes to really having them.

80 posted on 09/14/2014 6:11:45 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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