Posted on 09/17/2014 9:07:14 AM PDT by thetallguy24
Pope Francis, with his open-mindedness and more humanist approach to Catholicism reportedly promoted that the Virgin Mary should be at the second Holy Trinity, even putting her at Godhead level.
Pope Francis recently attended the morning mass for the Feast of Our Lady of Sorrows on Sept. 15 at Casa Santa Marta. He preached on how the Virgin Mary "learned, obeyed and suffered at the foot of the cross," according to the Vatican Radio.
"Even the Mother, 'the New Eve', as Paul himself calls her, in order to participate in her Son's journey, learned, suffered and obeyed. And thus she becomes Mother," Pope Francis said.
The Pope further added that Mary is the "anointed Mother." Pope Francis said the Virgin Mary is one with the church. Without her Jesus Christ would not have been born and introduced into Christian lives. Without the Virgin Mary there would be no Mother Church.
"Without the Church, we cannot go forward," the Pope added during his sermon.
Now The End Begins claims Pope Francis' reflection on the Virgin Mary suggests people's hope is not Jesus Christ but the Mother Church.
The site claims his sermon somehow indicates a change in the position Jesus holds in the Holy Trinity. Jesus has reportedly been demoted to the third trinity. While the Virgin Mary and the Holy Mother Church, the Roman Catholic Church, takes over his place at the second trinity.
Additionally, basing on Pope Francis words he may have supposedly even put the status of the Blessed Virgin Mary at the "Godhead level."
Revelation 17:4-6 according to the site, gives meaning to the Pope's reflection. The chapter tells the story of the apostle John and his "great admiration" for the Virgin Mary. Now The End Begins claims the verses also speaks about the Holy Mother Church and how God thinks of the "holy Roman Mother Church".
However, the Bible seems to contradict Pope Francis promotion of the Virgin Mary to second trinity. The site quoted some passages wherein the "blessed hope" of the Christians is "the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ." There was reportedly never any mention of the Virgin Mary as being any kind of hope to anyone or anything.
But during the Feast of Our Lady of Sorrows, Pope Francis ended his reflection with the assurance of hope from the Virgin Mary and the Mother Church.
"Today we can go forward with a hope: the hope that our Mother Mary, steadfast at the Cross, and our Holy Mother, the hierarchical Church, give us," he said.
However, the Bible's passages shouldn't be taken literally, especially when it comes to reflections of the Virgin Mary and Jesus Christ.
There you go....some of the issues with Enoch that leaves one scratching one’s head. Yet we have that one verse in Jude. It is a truth that Christ will come with a multitude of his saints...other scriptures indicate that...so Jude was certainly not stating a mistruth.
A read thru of Enoch suggests to me a kind of “docudrama” of the first 12 chapters or so of Genesis. It’s as though someone read the verses about the fallen angels and their pernicious offspring and his imagination just went wild conflating the ‘just the facts prose’ of the Genesis accounts with taints of the early Babylonian accounts of early earth into a fanciful tales of 3000 foot giants and scheming genetic manipulative fallen angels. It might have made for a block buster movie....no wait?!....(snicker)
I also got the sense that the book was a compendium, put together from other sources now lost or perhaps hidden from us now and who ever did so was trying to remember/gather together what scraps he could from what was left.
I could see 9 to 30 foot giants of tremendous strength. There are claims of large skeletons and very ancient archeology where blocks of whole stone thousands of tons in weight were set into place with fantastic precision. It would simply all point to the veracity of Genesis as being true.
Reporters are ignorant of Christianity, at best; hostile, at worst.
When it comes to reporting on papal statements, I disregard everything outside the quotation marks.
Catholics are confused by these titles, as well as most non-Catholics.
The meaning of the prefix is along the lines of cooperator, as in the fact that she cooperated perfectly with God's plan, never refusing Him, beginning with her yes to being "overshadowed" by the Holy Spirit, as recorded in Scripture. In this sense, she is called co-redemptrix and co-mediatrix, since her cooperation with the Holy Spirit brought our Redeemer, and Mediator of all grace, into the world.
Since the title causes so much confusion, popes have been reluctant to add it to her formal titles.
Thank's for your observation!
” He is noted by no one as any sort of preeminent authority on Protestantism.”
I said Protestant authority, not authority on Protestantism so you’re wrong in any case... Again.
MORE Catholic mumbo jumbo?
I’ll stick with the Scriptures you guys gave the world.
I find no reason to add to them.
“Adam “drew his flesh” from Adama, the red clay of Israel, and the breath of life from God himself.”
Which clearly is not a person.
Who says they were?
Nothing you posted changes the truth at all. You lost this debate in the beginning.
Yet another long winded post that changes nothing - and as usual you show up after everything is long settled.
Yet another long winded post that changes nothing - and as usual you show up after everything is long settled.
“It’s not even a legitimate typology at all.”
Thankfully Christians don’t look to you for those decisions.
Splitting hairs... again.
Matthew 2:23
... and he went and lived in a town called Nazareth. So was fulfilled what was said through the prophets, that he would be called a Nazarene.
Why?
what's to 'explain'?
Though I'll give it a try if you wish...
The Catholic church, based in Rome, did a very poor job of compiling the Bible.
It left out some prophet's writings.
Then so am I!
Taint NO one like ME!!!
“Uh, Vlad? New Eve seems to be MISSING here!!”
It certainly is. Now show me where I ever said it was there in so many words?
“Remember; we ain’t talkin’ IDEAS; but about finding a QUOTE.”
Exactly, the pope does what Matthew does.
“Sorry you’re so IGNORANT of basic English understanding.”
No, my understanding is just fine.
“I’ll try to remember this when I post to you.”
You do that Elsie. It’s just another error for you to believe it. If that helps you out that’s fine with me.
“Who says they were?”
Who, worth listening to, says Jesus and Mary did not share flesh?
“Splitting hairs... again.”
Nope. Just getting it right. Try it some time.
“The Catholic church, based in Rome, did a very poor job of compiling the Bible.”
No such verse - mentioning “Nazarene” in the prophets - appears in any Protestant Bible either.
“It left out some prophet’s writings.”
Then so did the KJV, NIV, CEV, TLV, NKJV and several dozen other Protestant versions - all of them in fact.
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